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Last activity 2 months agoPosted Sep 19, 2025 at 3:59 PM EDT

Trump to Impose $100k Fee for H-1b Worker Visas, White House Says

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esalman
2 months ago
3 replies
All it'll do is replace competent workers who don't have $100k to spare, with incompetent workers who have the money.
nsm
2 months ago
2 replies
The fees are paid by employers and not workers.
nojvek
2 months ago
Without salary enforcement, it does come out of workers eventually.

Like Americans paying Tariff fees out of their wallets due to price hikes.

esalman
2 months ago
This is still another loophole and the companies which exploit the program and workers (small consulting firms, not big tech per se) are still going to exploit this.
positr0n
2 months ago
2 replies
I certainly don't think the industry's hiring processes are perfect, but $100k on top of a normal wage for an incompetent worker is a lot of money to throw down the drain and not either run out of money or have someone competent notice and stop the situation before too long.
esalman
2 months ago
Unfortunately, to stop the situation you either need to let competent foreign workers in, or somehow make 2 years of masters education, or 7 years of PhD education more attractive to average Americans than flipping burgers and earning $22 an hour, on top of taking hundreds of thousands of dollars loan to get bachelor's degrees.
Terretta
2 months ago
> $100k ... is a lot of money

It's still less than a domestic recruiting fee for many types of roles the H1B was purportedly about, roles where it's hard enough to find someone you need a headhunter's help and the pool is still not exactly what you're looking for.

beAbU
2 months ago
1 reply
False dichotomy. Why would only incompetent workers have the 100k to spare?
esalman
2 months ago
There's a reason why corrupt politicians and extortionists all over the world choose to retire in the US.
SilverElfin
2 months ago
6 replies
Doesn’t this just mean less talent? Companies would hire locally if equal level talent was available. I doubt it’s really about saving money when these jobs earn a lot of revenue per employee. Adding this fee means companies may just not find anyone worth hiring. It would make more sense to require H1B salary to be equal to the highest paid local employee of the same role at that company than to just throw an arbitrary $100K fee on.
jltsiren
2 months ago
1 reply
I think it will mostly impact cap-exempt employers. For example, universities typically use H-1B for new faculty hires, as the visa is available quickly and without too much effort. But if the visa costs $100k, the university will probably skip international applicants, because the hiring department rarely has that much money it is allowed to use freely.

Research universities could probably use O-1, as the requirements for O-1A are lower than the bar for getting a tenure-track position. So they would effectively pay $10k to a lawyer rather than $100k to the government.

ribit
2 months ago
Yep. My wife just started as a professor (humanities) and she entered on H1B visa last week, as green card takes years to obtain. I have been offered a teaching job at the same institution as a partner hire and they have filed an H1B petition for me.

Unless they clarify that education is exempt from these rules, my wife will surely have to quit her new job. She is supposed to go on fieldwork later this year and she won’t be able to re-enter. Not to mention I can kiss my lecturer offer good bye. This is an incredibly retarded situation.

Saline9515
2 months ago
If you believe in the laws of supply and demand, it means lower wages for local workers, as they have to compete with foreign competitors. In the long term, lower incentives for local workers to get into the sectors hiring H1Bs. Those sectors will then complain about the lack of local workers and ask for more H1bs.
slaw
2 months ago
Local talent is available and looking for a work. Companies want cheap H1B workers.
esalman
2 months ago
Yes it means less talent.

Want proof? Elon Musk, Sundar Pichai and Satya Nadella were all on H1B visa at some point.

x0x0
2 months ago
I don't think you can possibly argue, in good faith, that in the midst of the tech recession there isn't plenty of local talent available. If you're actually paying decently, and probably even if not.
toomuchtodo
2 months ago
> Doesn’t this just mean less talent? Companies would hire locally if equal level talent was available. I doubt it’s really about saving money when these jobs earn a lot of revenue per employee. Adding this fee means companies may just not find anyone worth hiring.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45224057

Your reply to my comment there:

(me) ... I don't think US workers should have to compete with 1 billion+ other global workers for their jobs ...

(you) They already do though. Do you own any items made in other countries? If so, you’re competing with other workers already. It seems weird to focus on immigrants workers in America versus citizens in America while importation is allowed at all. I find all of this also very much in conflict with HN’s anti tariff attitude.

So, you seem to understand the problem. This is not about lack of domestic US talent. This is about disempowering US corporations from importing unnecessary labor to disadvantage US workers (who are currently facing an unfavorable domestic labor market).

Citations:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44880832 ("There is no requirement to demonstrate that you cannot find an American to do the job to get an H1b visa approved. If that person applies for a PERM position (needed to convert to a green card) there is. Hence the H1b is easy to game by employers to get cheap indentured servants. With PERM (converting to a green card) they try to hide the job postings so that people will not apply so that they can get the green card approved. Some of the tricks include putting ads in the newspaper, using esoteric websites and other media such as radio instead of job boards where tech people actually look for jobs. Some Americans who have trouble finding jobs in the current market took on a side project of scraping newspaper ads and these job boards and created https://www.jobs.now/ which lists these jobs. If enough Americans that meet the minimum qualifications apply for a listed job it stops the green card process for that position, usually for 6 months before the sponsor may try again. Also, there are a lot of stories about people getting O-1 visas via fake credential mills and research papers. Both can and are being gamed to get O-1's." -- u/lgleason)

Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45223719 - September 2025 (526 comments)

Job Listing Site Highlighting H-1B Positions So Americans Can Apply - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44892321 - August 2025 (108 comments)

H-1B Middlemen Bring Cheap Labor to Citi, Capital One - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44398978 - June 2025 (4 comments)

Jury finds Cognizant discriminated against US workers - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42385000 - December 2024 (65 comments)

How middlemen are gaming the H-1B program - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41123945 - July 2024 (57 comments)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42454509 (additional citations)

angott
2 months ago
1 reply
I wonder how much of this was driven by public/media interest in the H-1B program rather than technical policy concerns.

For instance, there is still no action taken about the L-1B visa classification, which is a lot more open to abuse than H-1B is. It has no cap on how many visas can be issued every year. It also has no obligation to pay the employee a prevailing wage, no requirement for a bachelor's degree to qualify, and it cannot be transferred to a different employer (which means employees are stuck with their sponsor until they qualify for a green card).

slaw
2 months ago
$100k fee is a good start. Trump doesn't know L-1B exists.
rimzy
2 months ago
3 replies
Great News!

Now Trump needs to go after all the "founders" scamming the US through their O-1 visa. That shit needs to end yesterday.

Snoozus
2 months ago
1 reply
What's the scam?
gowld
2 months ago
It was advertised on HN last year: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40082864

https://extraordinaryaliens.substack.com/p/o1-visa-hacks-for...

sciencesama
2 months ago
They are inventing new scamming ways !
colesantiago
2 months ago
This is the next grift target into the US.
givemeethekeys
2 months ago
5 replies
It hasn't happened yet. All the big money in America says that it will either never happen or won't last longer than a few weeks.
lastofthemojito
2 months ago
1 reply
The TACO president doesn't just back away from a bad idea without announcing he got something in return. He'll declare exemptions or delays for companies or industries that kowtow to him in some way - maybe he'll demand these companies make contributions to "non-woke" engineering universities or remove "DEI hires" from their boards, who knows.
aylmao
2 months ago
6 replies
Unrelated, but I don't get the "taco" thing. I'm Mexican— it's a head-scratcher that people use the name of our food as an insult to Trump. He doesn't look like a taco, and the acronym is a sentence, not an adjective/phrase, so it doesn't make much sense spelled out in most contexts.
Multicomp
2 months ago
taco is an acronym that stands for the phrase trump always chickens out, it was coined or popularized earlier this year when Trump backed off of The Liberation Day tariff stuff when the bond market got nervous.
adleyjulian
2 months ago
RINO republicans don't look like rhinoceros. That the word makes no sense by itself means that you'd have to ask what they meant by it. If the acronym were "DUMB" or "CLOWN" or whatever then I don't think it'd stand out as much.

Also, you're right that it's often used in a way that wouldn't make sense grammatically if it were written out, but that's true for most acronyms I think; e.g. JPEG or GIF.

"Look at this funny Graphics Interchange Format I just sent you!"

SpicyLemonZest
2 months ago
It has a lot of memetic value as a callback to a widely discussed Cinco de Mayo tweet he made in 2016 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/72829758741824716...).
fooker
2 months ago
> He doesn't look like a taco

Now that you say, I can see some similarities with Al Pastor.

syspec
2 months ago
You should hear the long form of the acronym!

TACOBELL

- Trump Always Chickens Out Before Eventually Losing Loudly

aylmao
2 months ago
Surprised I'm getting downvoted by this.
llm_nerd
2 months ago
1 reply
Eh, Trump's administration is so cravenly corrupt and incompetent in every facet and manner that I think it will happen, purely because it's one of those "throw 'em a bone" tactics for the commoners. It's the same reason the aggressive ICE actions have redoubled.

And FWIW, I think the H1B program, like the TFW program in Canada, is outrageously corrupt and has zero legitimacy, and the laughable foundations that people use to justify it -- namely a completely unsubstantiated labour shortage -- is such a ridiculous lie that it deserves to be obliterated. It is a way for the ultra-rich to stomp on worker rights and compensation.

kelnos
2 months ago
1 reply
> I think the H1B program [...] has zero legitimacy

That's demonstrably false, even just by my own experience with people, so not sure I can take what you're saying seriously.

Yes, there's corruption and abuse, but I've also worked with some fantastic, excellent, smart, ambitious, hard-working people on H-1B visas. They would not have been in the US without it.

I've also worked with some mediocre fools who were on H-1B visas. That's the problem we should be focusing on, and there's no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

pratyushnair01
2 months ago
1 reply
I think there's a lot of visible frustration (and sometimes racism) in tech discussions online, due to the bad economic climate. This is visible across different platforms. In the past year, I've seen massive rise in people making outlandish claims like this. I expect the trend will grow and soon they'll find a new scapegoat.
llm_nerd
2 months ago
1 reply
Okay, if that's my bias -- if you think you get to casually wave off positions as emotional instead of the objective truth it is -- then what is your bias?

From your minimal activity on here it seems that you're Indian. Do you think you have an objective, ground-truth position on the H1B program?

As to the "scapegoat", if there is a bad economic climate, it's simply obvious that the purported labour shortage is no longer the justification, doesn't it? You don't have to scapegoat to point out that a program contingent on an economic condition needs to change when the condition changes.

pratyushnair01
2 months ago
1 reply
Calm down my friend, this isn't a personal attack!

I'm neither in the US nor do I work for a US company, so granted, I personally don't have much skin in the game, and yes I don't have objective, ground-truth position, like you do, but you fail to notice the comment I was replying to, which was simply pointing out blanket statements, namely this:

> I think the H1B program [...] has zero legitimacy

I take it me being Indian doesn't sit right with you, considering you're Canadian yourself. Now as for my bias, I'm frustrated by the rampant racism piggybacking on the singular fact that the majority H1B visa holders are Indian, which comes back to my point: there is a lot of perfectly understandable frustration surrounding H1B, but does this make the racism alright?

Is H1B exploited? Yes. Are ALL H1B engineers good for nothing, wage slaves? Probably Not.

Now, FWIW, the company I work (not WITCH) for has sales engineers in US who are under H1B, so yes, I can claim that the legitimacy of H1B is in fact, non-zero.

As for the "scapegoat", I've seen discussions go from "DEI" and "woke" taking away jobs to "H1B Indians". I'm sure there will be someone else to blame once all the H1Bs are "evicted".

llm_nerd
2 months ago
2 replies
> Calm down my friend, this isn't a personal attack!

How is this remotely appropriate to my reply, beyond a rather transparent attempt to taint readers?

> I take it me being Indian doesn't sit right with you, considering you're Canadian yourself.

Another incredibly weird comment, again wholly inappropriate. Does this tactic actually work?

Indians have a significant bias on this and similar topics, and given that there are several hundred million English speaking Indians online, their presence is seen in every discussion. It is always some manner of "this is good for you and it's racism if you oppose it" (which is a rather ironic given the incredible racism that Indians are often observed plying when they do get to the West).

> the company I work (not WITCH) for has sales engineers in US who are under H1B, so yes, I can claim that the legitimacy of H1B is in fact, non-zero

Instead of hiring Americans to staff an American sales office, they parachute an army of Indians into the US to use US systems to undercut Americans? This is precisely the illegitimate use of H1Bs, so what an incredible claim.

Regardless, I have no idea why you've become so angry and racist about this. Is it because you hate Canadians? Weird. Hey look, I can do that ignorant tactic to divert from the discussion as well.

> As for the "scapegoat", I've seen discussions go from "DEI" and "woke" taking away jobs to "H1B Indians".

Almost as if it's a complex and multifaceted conversation? Some are diversions, some are legitimate grievances, and again that is just nonsensical distractions. If the economic climate is bad, which you specifically said, programs like the H1B should be winnowed down to the truly exceptional. Which obviously includes zero "sales engineers".

foldr
2 months ago
2 replies
Compare your comment here to pratyushnair01's original comment in this thread. You are only proving their point.
llm_nerd
2 months ago
What point did my comment prove? I'm super curious and hopeful for a learning experience!
pratyushnair01
2 months ago
Conversations can get heated sometimes, but hey we don't learn without challenging each other.
pratyushnair01
2 months ago
> How is this remotely appropriate to my reply, beyond a rather transparent attempt to taint readers?

Okay, I apologize for the snarky remark, I just found it odd that you called my nationality into question.

> Another incredibly weird comment, again wholly inappropriate. Does this tactic actually work?

This was simply mirroring what you did, I don't know if you meant it in good faith, but it was inappropriate on my part.

> "this is good for you and it's racism if you oppose it"

I would genuinely not have engaged with you if not for this comment. For my part, I'm simply concerned about racism against Indians, which I've seen increasing more and more in recent years. I don't have a problem with criticism, I'm just concerned about the slippery slope.

> Instead of hiring Americans to staff an American sales office

As I mentioned, I don't work for WITCH (consulting) companies. This is an assumption you made out of thin air. I work on a product based company that sell it to American businesses. There is a relatively handful of sales engineers/support engineers in the US, and not just H1Bs, this includes US citizens too. There is no undercutting here, it's a relative niche that American firms haven't bothered with. FWIW, I know a few companies similar to mine, where our target market is NA, though I agree it's very few. We can also afford to pay $100K fee, because of the smaller number of staff.

> Is it because you hate Canadians?

> From your minimal activity on here it seems that you're Indian. Do you think you have an objective, ground-truth position on the H1B program?

Assuming you made the original comment in good faith, I apologize for the remark. I simply lurk here and read whatever is posted, not much of a commenter!

> Almost as if it's a complex and multifaceted conversation?

Yes, but how often do you find people willing to have complex and multifaceted conversation? Purely from personal experience, the moment people find they're talking with an Indian, they tend to have many assumptions. Also note, I'm predominantly talking about conversations online.

charles_f
2 months ago
1 reply
I'm not saying that I don't agree with the apparent logic, but the same argument was made about tariffs, yet here they are and there they staid.
kelnos
2 months ago
1 reply
> the same argument was made about tariffs

By all accounts those arguments were pretty correct, no? The tariff rollout was delayed multiple times, changed multiple times. What we have now doesn't very much look like what Trump announced back in March/April.

And the tariffs may disappear soon, depending on SCOTUS. Not that I depend on SCOTUS doing the right thing anymore, but I'm willing to be pleasantly surprised on this one.

SpicyLemonZest
2 months ago
Huh? What we have now looks almost exactly like what Trump announced back in April, except for the (admittedly important) USMCA exemption. What other differences do you perceive?
password54321
2 months ago
The cat is out of the bag. Either tension is going to keep rising on their country turning into an all you can eat buffet or something is going to change fast. This is not nothing.
famerica
2 months ago
Anyone who has been paying attention to anything could tell you the same thing.
Animats
2 months ago
2 replies
$100K per person, or per company? Does Tata just pay $100K once?
ac29
2 months ago
1 reply
The answer to your question is in the first sentence of the article
Animats
2 months ago
"Sept 19 (Reuters) - "Reuters was not immediately able to establish details of who the fee would apply to or how it would be administered."

So, details to follow.

[1] https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2025-09-19/trump-...

markasoftware
2 months ago
per application, so per person
breadwinner
2 months ago
3 replies
$25K annual fee per H1B worker as opposed to $100K one-time would have made more sense. It would have made even more sense to have employers compete (within their own sector, such as tech, aerospace, etc.) such that whoever offers the highest salary will get the H1B worker.
gowld
2 months ago
2 replies
Why within a sector? make everyone compete, and we'll find if any local workers want the high paying jobs. The H1B count can be increased to cover jobs that locals don't want even at high salaries.
breadwinner
2 months ago
1 reply
Why would locals not want high paying jobs? The question is whether qualified people can be found locally or not.
ToucanLoucan
2 months ago
1 reply
It's a severely under-reported aspect of this issue that a troubling amount of times, the issue isn't that Americans want too much money or just don't want to work, the issue is there are no Americans qualified to do the work you need to do who are looking for a job.

The Hyundai factory exposed this. The VISA'd employees (or non-VISA'd? I don't remember the details offhand) were only there in the first place overseeing the project because they literally could not find anyone qualified to do the fucking job in Georgia.

mrguyorama
2 months ago
1 reply
If there literally are no Americans (instead of just, no Americans at the price point you are willing to pay), then $100k is a small price to pay to enable your business.

Last I checked, Software Developers did not have a 0% unemployment statistic, so clearly there are American software developers that could be employed in those jobs, but FAANG still hires an H1B. Gee, I wonder why.

Maybe it's because H1Bs are cheaper than an American. Maybe it's because H1Bs cannot say no without risking being deported.

This claim that "No no no, every H1B was fine and totally could not even possibly be replaced by American labor" flies in the face of the actual reality of the tech industry. Microsoft can't find an American to write code? Bullshit, they just fired tons of them.

The fact that it is less abused in other industries should not be used to paper over the games the tech industry play. FAANG have been found multiple times to be collaborating to suppress tech industry wages. This is just another way they do that.

>could not find anyone qualified to do the fucking job in Georgia.

There was not a single American anywhere in the entire united states that could do things to build a car factory? Really? They couldn't fly someone out from Texas, or Michigan? Am I supposed to believe we don't have any human beings in the entire united states that know how to build part of a factory?

dotnet00
2 months ago
>If there literally are no Americans (instead of just, no Americans at the price point you are willing to pay), then $100k is a small price to pay to enable your business.

They also have the option of just not building the factory. Somehow you guys expect to increase manufacturing, while also increasing costs and acting like money grows on trees for businesses, and if you just got rid of the dirty brown and yellow people, you'd be getting paid $500k to work on an assembly line.

azemetre
2 months ago
2 replies
Because there are some H1B workers that come over as translators or other non-tech professions. Like if you need a translator that speaks Swahili for some NGO it's way easier to hire a native Swahili speaker than possibly finding a qualified American that also speaks Swahili.

I do find it interesting that these trillion dollar companies can't find domestic workers, at their level of wealth they should simply be forced to pay for the education of Americans to create a funnel of workers rather than exporting this societal need to other nations.

kelipso
2 months ago
1 reply
There are a bunch of H1Bs working as teachers in my medium sized midwestern city, making around $50k. Then there are a bunch in the healthcare sectors making from $50k to $500k. I actually feel like they are legitimate reasons they are there, very difficult to get good healthcare workers in the midwest since no one good wants to go there.
vitaflo
2 months ago
2 replies
Mayo and Cleveland Clinic are literally in the Midwest what are you talking about?
kelipso
2 months ago
1 reply
There are lots of places that are hours to days drive away from those two. Midwest is a big place, so what are you talking about? I guess you could say the talent is concentrated in a few places, but lots of places in the midwest with terrible hospitals.
vitaflo
2 months ago
1 reply
This is no different than anywhere else in the US. It’s says nothing about the Midwest.
kelipso
2 months ago
I am sure the issue of talent being concentrated in a few places is a problem everywhere but it’s definitely more of a problem in the midwest; the quality of doctors and other healthcare workers there are noticeably worse than the east coast.
azemetre
2 months ago
You think a few dozen buildings is enough to account for multiple states? Did teleportation become a thing and I missed out?
Amezarak
2 months ago
There is a big problem with ethnic nepotism and ghost jobs. I have been struggling to get younger people in my network hired anywhere despite solid resumes. Continuing to issue H1Bs in the current job market was bananas.
TMWNN
2 months ago
1 reply
>$25K annual fee per H1B worker as opposed to $100K one-time

It's $100K per employee per year.

kelnos
2 months ago
1 reply
I think it's actually per visa. I know the linked article says per year, but other sources I'm glancing at seem to indicate it's an application/renewal fee. Actually, it's not even clear that you have to pay again to renew after 3 years; it might just be the initial fee.
caughtinthought
2 months ago
1 reply
Based on the language in the executive order:

"the entry into the United States of aliens as nonimmigrants to perform services in a specialty occupation under section 101(a)(15)(H)(i)(b) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(15)(H)(i)(b), is restricted, except for those aliens whose petitions are accompanied or supplemented by a payment of $100,000"

It sounds like it applies every time you leave and enter, provided you are a nonimmigrant alien on H1B (which they all are).

breadwinner
2 months ago
No, it is every time you petition. So every time you apply for the visa.
kelnos
2 months ago
1 reply
This isn't about what makes sense. This is about finding a punchy number that sounds big and makes Trump's base happy. "$100k fee (that covers 3/6 years)" sounds more impressive than "$33k per year" or "$17k per year", so that's what they went with.

Ultimately this isn't going to do anything to reform the H-1B program; this is just trump "doing something", which he'll claim as a success (and his base will eat up), even if it does nothing or makes things worse.

newfriend
2 months ago
1 reply
It's 100k per person per year. And I am ecstatic.
breadwinner
2 months ago
1 reply
It is not, and don't be. If you were not previously qualified you won't suddenly be. The job will simply migrate overseas.
newfriend
2 months ago
1 reply
I don't have to be qualified for every job for this to have an effect on wages. A surplus of labor has allowed companies to be extremely selective during the interview process, while putting downward pressure on wages.

Moving jobs offshore is already cheaper and has been for decades. There's a reason it's seen as a dead end / ktlo.

This change is a big win for all American tech workers.

breadwinner
2 months ago
It is not a win unless you are talking about IT jobs. For silicon valley type jobs, silicon valley is silicon valley because it is where top tech people congregate. If it loses that status then talent and venture capitalists will find another place to congregate, for example Vancouver BC. It won't happen overnight, but even a slow migration is bad news.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johntamny/2024/09/16/the-micros...

snake_doc
2 months ago
1 reply
Mafia behavior continues… (not my observation, but the Texas senator’s Ted Cruz[1]).

$100k is a big pizzo (protection fee)!

[1]: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-09-19/ted-cruz-...

> “That’s right outta ‘Goodfellas,’ that’s right out of a mafioso going into a bar saying, ‘Nice bar you have here, it’d be a shame if something happened to it,’” Cruz said, using the iconic New York accent associated with the Mafia.

mschuster91
2 months ago
1 reply
It does go to the government and not to Trump's personal wallet (like the memecoins and lavish gift), it's just a tax that's just not being called a tax, and frankly it's a good idea. The current abuse of H1B doesn't work out positively for anyone but the companies making a boatload of money on exploiting people.
snake_doc
2 months ago
Oh? And taxes can’t be used to buy influence and votes? How naive… Money is fungible… one pocket into another

Exhibit 1: Tariff revenues to bail out American farmers: https://www.ft.com/content/0267b431-2ec9-4ca4-9d5c-5abf61f2b...

crooked-v
2 months ago
2 replies
Stopped clock, twice a day, etc. H-1Ba are supposed to be for difficult-to-find specialists, not generic tech workers.
YetAnotherNick
2 months ago
1 reply
> H-1Ba are supposed to be for difficult-to-find specialists

In my understanding H-1B is supposed to be for generic workers, rather than O1 which is for people with extraordinary ability in their field. That's why there is limit, lottery and high application fees.

GartzenDeHaes
2 months ago
1 reply
H-1B is for difficult-to-find specialists and O-1 is for people with extraordinary ability in their field.

H-2B is for ordinary workers.

oytis
2 months ago
1 reply
The opposite of extraordinary is, well, ordinary - why would they be difficult to find? H-2B seems to be a non-immigrant visa for temporary workers.
crooked-v
2 months ago
1 reply
It's not "the opposite", it's a spectrum of rarity.
oytis
2 months ago
1 reply
The conditions look like the only requirement is being a professional with college degree.

I am an immigrant (not to US though), so looking from this standpoint. If I wanted to move to the US, H1B would be a pretty straightforward way for me to do so - as it is for many professionals now. With this path cut off - what is left to people who are just good professionals in their field, but maybe not exactly Nobel laureates? There is Green card lottery, but being a lottery, it's not ideal for life planning, and it doesn't account for one's professional achievements.

sparkie
2 months ago
1 reply
Become exceptional.

Having a degree and expertise isn't sufficient. There needs to be a reason a US company should hire you over a domestic applicant.

oytis
2 months ago
1 reply
Do you think US companies decide whom to hire for no reason? Not being available for interviews locally, not speaking English natively and needing a visa sponsorship already puts you at disadvantage compared to the local talent. If they still decide to go for you, there sure is a reason.
sparkie
2 months ago
The reason is often money. Even with visa sponsorship. Perhaps $100k is too much, but ~$5k is too little.

The $100k fee basically makes it not about money. It's going to be more expensive to hire a foreign worker - meaning that if they're chosen over a domestic applicant, it's for a real reason, not just because they'll take a lower salary.

gwbennett
2 months ago
100%
Bayko
2 months ago
4 replies
So now just outsource to those countries instead??
arcbyte
2 months ago
2 replies
Tariffs on offshoring are next.
JumpCrisscross
2 months ago
1 reply
> Tariffs on offshoring are next

Unlikely. America has a massive services export surplus.

ebiester
2 months ago
Do you think that matters to them? They'll burn it all down if they think it scores a political point.
saaaaaam
2 months ago
Wasn’t that already effectively put in place with the changes to the exemptions on how R&D is treated for tax purposes? (I’m not in the US so this may have evolved now, I’m not sure.)
breadwinner
2 months ago
2 replies
This is good news for China: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3318178/tale...
nextworddev
2 months ago
1 reply
Lol, you really think the h1bs will go to China to work 996?
breadwinner
2 months ago
1 reply
No, Chinese will stay home instead of immigrating to the US.

China draws mainly on the talents of the best of its billion+ population. But America has had its pick of the best of the world's 8 billion people. If people stop immigrating to the US, then we will surely fall behind technologically, economically and militarily, and soon we will be making t-shirts for Chinese for $5 an hour.

nextworddev
2 months ago
1 reply
For big tech 100k isn’t too much of a hit to hire the best AI researchers of Chinese descent, so they won’t be impacted.
breadwinner
2 months ago
1 reply
It will be too much if the worker leaves after a month, or gets hit by a truck.
mrguyorama
2 months ago
1 reply
If an H1B worker "leaves after a month" they get deported. Meanwhile, nothing in the world can prevent the Bus Factor so I don't see how that's even relevant.
nextworddev
2 months ago
don't respond to him, it's just a LLM posting pro-China stuff on HN
snake_doc
2 months ago
SCMP is owned by Alibaba, which is subject to the purview of the Chinese Central Government [1].

[1]: https://www.cecc.gov/agencies-responsible-for-censorship-in-...

toomuchtodo
2 months ago
Ohio senator introduces 25% tax on companies that outsource jobs overseas - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45146528 - September 2025 (68 comments)

OBBB signed: Reinstates immediate expensing for U.S.-based R&D - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44469124 - July 2025 (370 comments) [15 year amortization required for international R&D]

root_axis
2 months ago
They could already outsource for cheaper than the cost of an H1B
mister_mort
2 months ago
4 replies
If this is truly per application, the companies that try to boost their chances with the lottery by creating multiple applications for the same person are going to get hit hard. Phantom companies that only exist on paper so people can tweak the probabilities are now liabilities.

We'll see a rebalancing for sure.

DeRock
2 months ago
2 replies
> the companies that try to boost their chances with the lottery by creating multiple applications for the same person

This was already addressed by changing the odds to be per unique candidate, not application, thereby reducing the incentive to game it. More context here: https://www.uscis.gov/newsroom/news-releases/uscis-announces...

namirez
2 months ago
2 replies
Unfortunately that doesn't work in practice since the consulting firms submit multiple applications for multiple candidates to get one candidate in. I believe charging extra for each application is a good way to discourage this practice but I'm not sure if $100k is the right number or not. To me it seems a bit too high.
DeRock
2 months ago
2 replies
The odds are now per candidate, not per application. If they submit multiple applications, it does not up chances for that candidate in any way.

And yes, it does work, because we have data from the year before this change, to the year after to compare against. The "Eligible Registrations for Beneficiaries with Multiple Eligible Registrations" dropped from 47,314 for FY 2025 to 7,828 for FY 2026. Source: https://www.uscis.gov/archive/uscis-announces-strengthened-i...

nosianu
2 months ago
> If they submit multiple applications, it does not up chances for that candidate in any way.

I believe the parent commenter's argument is that they instead play the game with multiple people. The increased chance is not per person, but achieved by using more people, each with their own chance.

I don't know if they do this, I merely find the argument itself intriguing with the shift in perspective, and that you as the reader has to keep track of the change in context from the individual one level up.

mcflubbins
2 months ago
> the consulting firms submit multiple applications for multiple candidates to get one candidate in.
sbmthakur
2 months ago
1 reply
Wasn't the application linked to the candidate's passport number?
namirez
2 months ago
Again, it doesn't matter. You could apply for 100 candidates hoping to get one candidate accepted. For these firms, individual candidates don't matter. They want to get X number of cheap employees into the US per year. And they never file for a green card.
throwaway219450
2 months ago
I find it odd that the H-1B has no per-country limits, which would have avoided all of this from the start.
ActorNightly
2 months ago
1 reply
Ah the conservative mindset:

When faced with an arbitrarily small, insignificant problem, in lieu of the status quo, the solution he/she advocates is to completely dismantle the status quo without any form and reason instead of actually focusing on the solution.

I.e punishment over progress.

doganugurlu
2 months ago
To be fair, the true conservative mindset would “not tear down the fence, if you don’t know what it’s there for.”
ebiester
2 months ago
In one sense they won't - it will reduce the queue enormously.

But you'll really need that person. It will also kill OPT in general.

sigwinch
2 months ago
It’s per-year.
b_e_n_t_o_n
2 months ago
1 reply
> H-1B visas are already costly to obtain, ranging from about $1,700 to $4,500

oof, that's a big price increase.

y-curious
2 months ago
2 replies
My one concern is that the salary discrepancy minus the $100k might still be worth it for FAANG specifically.
SV_BubbleTime
2 months ago
That's the point. If you really deserve it with your skills, then 100k is nothing.
LPisGood
2 months ago
Why is that a concern?
cogman10
2 months ago
2 replies
IMO, the fee is the wrong thing that needs adjusting. It's the salary that should be adjusted. The minimum salary for an H1B should be $200k. It's something like 50k right now which is ridiculous especially with all the restrictions an applicant is under. It both suppresses wages and abuses the worker.
dbish
2 months ago
1 reply
Why not both?
cogman10
2 months ago
4 replies
Because I don't really want to penalize a company for bringing in foreign labor. If a company can't find someone for a specific job or role then I don't care if they go abroad to find that person.

What I care about is the current system isn't being used to find hard to find labor, it's used to bring in cheap labor in an abusive situation.

We as a nation are really better off if we bring in the best in the world to work here with a cushy salary.

dbish
2 months ago
1 reply
The fee should help ensure that only higher paying jobs or truly hard to find roles would be worth paying for as well (not that this is the right option, but playing it out). You would gladly pay 100k if the role already is high paying, it will be a small fraction of the cost, you won’t do that if it’s a couple year salary. It will also help curb abuse through multiple applications. I agree hard to find jobs for highly talented people (who are paid well) should be brought in.
cogman10
2 months ago
Well, again, I don't really care about prioritizing local hires. The 100k fee really only penalizes the company from hiring abroad.

I'd much rather push everything into the salary of the person being hired. Both because it ends up raising the median salary for local workers and because it stimulates the local economy where that person is brought in. It's also a yearly fee. I think there's value in getting a very capable person working in your company and having a high salary is one way to make such roles highly competitive. A highly capable person will ultimately make everyone they work with more capable.

llm_nerd
2 months ago
1 reply
>If a company can't find someone for a specific job or role then I don't care if they go abroad to find that person

It was never, ever that they "can't find someone".

victorbjorklund
2 months ago
1 reply
If country has 10 qualified people but 15 positions to fill you cant find it by just hiring in the country. Then you just end up with a circle where the people move around.
llm_nerd
2 months ago
Yes, I also can make up imaginary math. 6 is bigger than 3. But 9 is less than 12.

There are extraordinarily few roles handed out to H1Bs where there aren't enormous numbers of domestic options. Indeed, by far the biggest users of H1Bs in tech are shitty consulting firms like Cognizant, Infosys and Tata doing absolute garbage, low skill development.

Yes, there are exceptions. There are truly unique talents in the AI space, for instance. Not someone to build Yet Another agent, but someone who actually understands the math. They are extraordinarily rare in that program. And for those exceptional talents, a $100K fee would be completely worth it. But they aren't going to pay it for an army of garbage copy-paste consultant heads.

In actual reality it's just a way to push down wages by forcing Americans to compete with the developing world in their own country. In Canada we have "TFWs" filling the same role. It is a laughably unjustified, massively abusive program.

leopoldj
2 months ago
1 reply
Multiple registrations are being filed for the same person in order to game the system. This is discussed in some details in a USCIS report [1]. The increased application fee is presumably to stem that practice.

https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/temporary...

cogman10
2 months ago
Honestly, with a much higher minimum salary I don't see a reason why the cap couldn't simply be eliminated removing the need to play such games.
loverofhumanz
2 months ago
2 replies
"If a company can't find someone for a specific job or role then I don't care if they go abroad to find that person."

You're believing and repeating the propaganda. The H1B was sold to Americans as for this purpose and then very deliberately turned into a loophole for importing massive amounts of foreign labor.

How silly is it to accept the idea that Big Tech companies like Google, Microsoft, and Tesla are not be able to hire Americans for any role they want. They're the richest companies on the planet!

These companies use the H1B to increase their labor supply, suppress wages, and gain indentured workers.

If they couldn't cheat by importing cheaper foreign labor they would have to compete against each other much more than they do for American workers.

This is all about big companies rigging the system. They do not care if it's good or bad for America, the foreign workers, or anyone else. It's simple greed.

oytis
2 months ago
1 reply
US has the highest salaries for software engineers in the world. If this is what suppressed salaries look like, then what do you think they should be paying? I think if the labour pool is further restricted by measures like this one, it can only lead to companies doubling down on opening R&D offices abroad.
loverofhumanz
2 months ago
They've almost all already doubled down and opened R&D offices abroad. They will do absolutely whatever helps them maximize profits. There are no ethics to it.

American companies shouldn't be able to bribe American politicians into letting them cheat the market at the expense of Americans.

If companies couldn't cheat by importing foreign workers they would have to hire and pay Americans more. They would also lobby for good things, like educating even more Americans to work for them.

The system is corrupt.

8note
2 months ago
this is also believing and repeating the propaganda, just a different propaganda.

and entirely different propaganda is that without being able to hire so many people constantly, the work just doesnt happen, and companies downsize to save money rather than grow to make more money.

a greedier facebook doesnt dump a ton of money into VR or ai glasses.

nine_k
2 months ago
3 replies
Can every industry pay $200k? I bet software, AI, or finance would be okay paying $200k, while e.g. hardware, aerospace, or biotech would have a harder time.

The idea of requiring a high salary is reasonable, but I'd make it rather e.g. 120% of the median salary in a particular industry.

wahnfrieden
2 months ago
1 reply
If they can pay a $100k fee, they can pay a similarly higher wage instead
abirch
2 months ago
1 reply
This makes sense if H1-Bs are about lack of talent instead of cheap labor.
wahnfrieden
2 months ago
That's what they're supposed to be about. OP proposed a way to put that into practice. Of course it is abused for cheap labor
cogman10
2 months ago
1 reply
Who would have a harder time? The company that wants to bring in employees? Sure. But I'm also sure that the top experts would be lining up to take such a job. The companies wouldn't struggle to find someone abroad.

The percentage could be reasonable, but I think it's too easily gamed. You just know the company would try and say they are bringing in entry level people for whatever they want and use whatever lowest median they could find. There needs to be a fairly significant minimum salary to avoid such monkey business.

An H1B job should be cushy. Otherwise, the company should simply raise salaries to find local workers.

nine_k
2 months ago
This is why I say about the median salary across a branch of industry. A company is free to bring in anyone they want, but not free to pay them entry-level salary then. They should rather pay entry-level salary to local folks, e.g. recent graduates. The point is to bring above-average workers from abroad, as you say.

I don't think it's easy to game the median number, or the third quartile number if you prefer. Unless the salary distribution is severely bimodal, it should work reasonably.

Jcampuzano2
2 months ago
1 reply
Dare I say - If you're desperate for skilled workers, they should probably be highly compensated due to simple supply and demand.

If you can't find somebody skilled enough here to work for 200k or less, then you should probably be paying 200k or more since you're looking for a role that is niche and low supply.

scheme271
2 months ago
5 replies
There's also a bunch of organizations that are desperate and can't pay. E.g. a lot of rural and VA hospitals are staffed by H1B physicians. A rural hospital in the middle of Idaho won't attract a cardiologist through salary (i.e. the 500k/yr they can make in cities) and probably won't be able to afford a 100k application fee to get one. Also for lots of researchers and post-docs, 100k is more than their annual salary.

This fee is a great way to ensure that there's very little medical services available to rural populations and to help kill science in the US among other things.

Avicebron
2 months ago
2 replies
There are plenty of first-rate medical schools in the US, it's very possible to increase the supply of qualified doctors to re-balance. Yes it will probably mean a similar scenario where doctors are paid somewhat less than they have been previously, but hey, look how bad engineering has gotten these past 20-something years relative to where it once was as a comparable profession to medicine.
DragonStrength
2 months ago
2 replies
Exactly. The difference is doctors were able to cap the number of doctors graduated, and now we have a shortage. Welp, I know the solution to that.
cogman10
2 months ago
1 reply
The cost of becoming an MD is astronomical. I have a nephew currently studying for it and he's looking at $500,000 in student loans. For a school in idaho of all places.

Part of the shortage is also because very few people can afford to become doctors.

DragonStrength
2 months ago
There are no empty slots for med school in America. We turn qualified kids away.
scheme271
2 months ago
Except for the DOE student loan programs just capped loans for med school to 200k lifetime so unless students are fairly wealthy, they're going to find it hard to become a doctor.
kashunstva
2 months ago
> it's very possible to increase the supply of qualified doctors to re-balance.

In many cases, the rebalancing that is needed is from subspecialties to community based primary care in rural and other underserved areas. Some new medical schools appeared in the 1970’s to address the need for more family medicine docs. What happened was completely predictable… more subspecialists. Graduates follow the money trail when choosing residencies and fellowships.

bigfatkitten
2 months ago
1 reply
> E.g. a lot of rural and VA hospitals are staffed by H1B physicians.

Doctors, pilots and other genuinely essential professions are well covered by a number of other visa categories, such as EB-2.

scheme271
2 months ago
I don't think the EB-2 is an alternative. If the applicant is outside the US, the process takes ~3 years to get the applicant into the US and up to 4-12 years if the applicant is Chinese or Indian.

I don't think the EB-2 process allows the applicant to stay within the US while waiting for the priority date to become current so staying in the US and working during that 3-12 year period won't work without another visa type.

cogman10
2 months ago
1 reply
I'm from Idaho and grew up in rural Idaho. My mother was a nurse for such a hospital.

Rural hospitals are lucky to have any doctor on staff let alone a cardiologist. They are mostly staffed by nurses for quick patch-up work and life flights to major medical centers.

H1B doesn't solve the problem of poor communities getting poor healthcare. Frankly, it costs too much to become a doctor which limits where doctors can be employed. Plenty would like to work rural, but not with $500,000 in student loans. And no, that's no joke. I have a nephew going to medical school in Idaho and that's what his loans are.

czl
2 months ago
The question to ask is why it costs so much to become a doctor in the USA vs other countries and then work to address that.

A serious problem should not be treated with a band-aid and if you think a band-aid is ok do not be surprised the problem gets worse.

nosianu
2 months ago
1 reply
I just read a thread earlier today in the medical-professionals /r/medicine group of reddit that had a lot of participation from medical people:

"My rural patients are so much more insufferable than my urban ones"

https://old.reddit.com/r/medicine/comments/1nkb8f9/my_rural_...

It seems that the reasons for missing doctors are... complex.

kashunstva
2 months ago
1 reply
> My rural patients are so much more insufferable than my urban ones…

I retired from medicine, having spent my career at a well-known institution in the upper midwest of the U.S. Over the course of my tenure there, I took care of patients from all parts of the world, all walks of life. Some of my most cherished patients hailed from rural farm communities. Whatever that commenter’s issues might be, this doesn’t line up with my experience at all. The work of the physician is to tailor their work to meet the needs of the patient by understanding their needs in ways that may be difficult to discern through ways other than empathic understanding.

nosianu
2 months ago
1 reply
It is not about that one commenter, I would not have posted it for a single anecdote. I read through most of the comments. While there are voices like yours, the many people having similar things to say as the OP, and what exactly they say, DO make it sound like they have something interesting to say. Given the quality of many of the comments there, I don't think simply ignoring it with a counter-example is correct.
parimal7
2 months ago
Reddit and internet forums have a bias for negative anecdotes.
seanmcdirmid
2 months ago
> Also for lots of researchers and post-docs, 100k is more than their annual salary.

Don't post docs usually come over on J-1s (if they aren't using practical training)?

Workaccount2
2 months ago
The white collar version of ICE enforcement.
YetAnotherNick
2 months ago
I don't get the negative points here to be honest. To me, it seems better than lottery to be honest for all parties involved.
LAC-Tech
2 months ago
The latest updates to Windows were just too much for him.

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