A New Mnemonic Scheme – Seedless, Passphrase-Sealed, Builtin Multichain
Mood
informative
Sentiment
positive
Category
startup_launch
Key topics
In the first half of 2025, more than $1.7B in crypto assets were stolen, and roughly 70% of those incidents involved mnemonic-compromise pathways. The core problem is structural: today’s mnemonics are bare assets—whoever sees them immediately owns everything, and there is no cryptographic-level protection, no rotation model, and no way to safely evolve toward PQC.
I built MSCIKDF to directly solve this.
MSCIKDF is a cryptographic primitive that introduces passphrase-sealed mnemonics, curve-isolated derivation, and rotatable secrets at the KDF layer. It ensures that: - The seed is never stored on disk, and never kept in memory—it only exists for ~20 microseconds during signing or verification. - A mnemonic and its passphrase can be rotated unlimited times without changing any addresses and without migrating assets. - One mnemonic supports all major elliptic-curve families (Ed25519, Secp256k1, sr25519, P-256, etc.), covering essentially all chains. - The algorithm is pluggable, allowing smooth PQC upgrades in the future while keeping the same mnemonic and the same addresses. - Bonus: it supports UNICODE (Chinese / Japanese / Korean / Arabic / Emoji) as passphrases.
Why these properties are possible?
Under the hood, MSCIKDF was designed around: - Single-root → multi-context isolation (each chain, wallet, device, agent, or application gets a mathematically isolated stream). - Zero-persistence secret handling (the derived seed is never kept in long-term memory or disk). - Rotatable passphrase sealing, allowing unlimited secret rotation with stable public identities. - Curve-agnostic, multi-algorithm derivation, supporting both signatures and encryption (Ed25519, X25519, Secp256k1, sr25519, ECDSA, etc.). - PQC compatibility, meaning post-quantum KDF modules can be plugged in without breaking identities or requiring wallet migrations. In short: MSCIKDF turns mnemonics from “bare private keys” into cryptographically protected, renewable, multi-curve identity roots.
Paper (arXiv): https://arxiv.org/abs/2511.20505 Playground: https://github.com/mscikdf/mscikdf-playground
Seedless: A new mnemonic scheme that's seedless, passphrase-sealed, and builtin multichain
Snapshot generated from the HN discussion
Discussion Activity
Light discussionFirst comment
8m
Peak period
1
Hour 1
Avg / period
1
Key moments
- 01Story posted
Nov 26, 2025 at 11:46 AM EST
9h ago
Step 01 - 02First comment
Nov 26, 2025 at 11:54 AM EST
8m after posting
Step 02 - 03Peak activity
1 comments in Hour 1
Hottest window of the conversation
Step 03 - 04Latest activity
Nov 26, 2025 at 11:54 AM EST
9h ago
Step 04
Generating AI Summary...
Analyzing up to 500 comments to identify key contributors and discussion patterns
Discussion hasn't started yet.
Want the full context?
Jump to the original sources
Read the primary article or dive into the live Hacker News thread when you're ready.