Sam Altman Is Getting Desperate and It Is Starting to Show
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The article discusses Sam Altman's alleged desperation as OpenAI faces financial struggles, sparking debate among commenters about the company's viability and the potential consequences of its failure.
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I really don’t mean to concern troll or anything but this text is so bizarre, it’s like it landed from space into the middle of some random website.
> TickerFeed is a discussion forum centered around the stock market, public companies, investing strategies, financial news, and economic trends. Our goal is to foster insightful conversations that help investors and market watchers make sense of financial movements.
Basically HN but for financial folks.
I'd be interested in an "HN for financial folks" but the very modest ability to handle auth/login is a minimum requirement for me ...
I think it is a blog post (you can see it here https://tickerfeed.net/articles), from something called the "free lunch blog".
Still not sure if it's ai generated or not.
With AI? Well just sell the assets in bankruptcy. Models can be sold, hardware and infra can be sold, IP and brands too can be sold. Employees, they have mostly transferable skills and are mobile already.
Even if AI companies fall, other people can pick up the pieces if there is something valuable left. Market might be affected. But I don't think it is only domino.
Entire stock market will tank and a lot of very rich people will lose a lot of money. So government won't let that happen.
So bailing out might actually cause the stock to appreciate because uncertainty about the possibility of bailout suddenly disappears in a positive manner.
Otherwise said, high level corruption that is not even hidden these days.
$250 billion with Microsoft - using Azure cloud platform capacity
$500 billion with Oracle - for cloud computing capacity…
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I assume these companies will eat the loss and write it off for tax purposes.
People keep drawing parallels to the housing crisis and ensuing financial crisis. Those were hundreds of millions of individual contracts spread across thousands of banks and debt holders. There was little understanding at any individual institution of the correlation risks with subprime or the systemic counterparty risk (I know I sat in the center of core risk at one of the big systemic banks at the time). In this the institutions are all large, know their counterparts well, know OpenAI, etc. Despite all outward appearances none of them are signing up for insolvency, and none expect a bailout, and none WANT a bailout. It’s not good for any CFO’s career to be the one forced to give up the companies ownership to the US government and they at minimum will avoid this at all costs.
I’m not saying this isn’t all a giant bubble, but it’s more akin to the dot com bubble which was more of a shakeout than long term consolidation. It’s hard to say the www isn’t an intensively valuable set of infrastructure and services even if pets.com went out of business (and its business model has turned out to be pretty viable since).
Assuming normal accounting applies, OpenAI doesn’t owe them the money until they use the compute power. Then it becomes income, and accounts receivable goes up until they pay for it.
The stock market can anticipate income that hasn’t arrived yet, but that just affects the stock price.
(ChatGPT tells me that accounting rules are different for leases of an identifiable physical asset, though.)
Jerry: "So, we're gonna make the post office pay for my new stereo, now?"
Kramer: "It's a write-off for them."
Jerry: "How is it a write-off?"
Kramer: "They just write it off."
Jerry: "Write it off what?"
Kramer: "Jerry, all these big companies, they write off everything."
Jerry: "You don't even know what a write-off is."
Kramer: "Do you?"
Jerry: "No, I don't."
Kramer: "But they do. And they're the ones writing it off."
No. Government has done lots of bailouts, and it is has never opened up litigation from conpetitors, even though a common result is that the government (1) stops their competitor from failing, and (2) becomes a major and active shareholder in their competitor.
The reason it doesn't open up litigation is that there is no law which prohibits would therefore provide a cause of action for that.
> What we do think might make sense is governments building (and owning) their own AI infrastructure, but then the upside of that should flow to the government as well. We can imagine a world where governments decide to offtake a lot of computing power and get to decide how to use it, and it may make sense to provide lower cost of capital to do so. Building a strategic national reserve of computing power makes a lot of sense. But this should be for the government’s benefit, not the benefit of private companies.
If OpenAI doesn’t pay, its vendors have whatever data centers that they’ve built so far and can use them themselves or rent them to someone else.
You’re right, this is not accounting debt.
I don’t think OpenAI’s spending commitments alone are the problem, but OpenAI imploding will have a cascading effect and a realization check for everyone in the industry. What are the real prices for profitability and are businesses and consumers willing to pay for that, will we need ads, do we need an integrated product offerings to amortize the cost instead of standalone chat, etc. Also, S&P 500 going down by 10-20% will have a real impact on the real economy. If it happens.
I don’t think this should have been flagged.
But apparently there are ways to keep the debt used to build data centers off the books? What happens if the data centers are no longer needed? I can't tell if that's an accounting fiction (the tech company has to buy the data centers anyway) or if the tech company can say "never mind, I don't need any more datacenters" and bondholders lose their money.
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/11/06/trump-ai-sacks-federal-bailo...
US economy growth without AI is around 0.1%, so I don't think there's too much to blow up. AI is pretty much the last hail merry US has in their bag and even that not for long.
https://fortune.com/2025/10/07/data-centers-gdp-growth-zero-...
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