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Nov 20, 2025 at 1:28 PM EST

RFK Jr.'s loathesome edits: CDC website now falsely links vaccines and autism

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Spivak
3d ago
2 replies
Does there become a point where reporting on this kind of stuff is just feeding the trolls? Ars is both giving them the reaction they want and platforming their nonsense.

The government put up a poster that says vaccines bad very autism and maybe the right response is to just ignore it. This admin seems to be fueled by outrage and very loud showy public displays of basically nothing when you get down to it. Cool story RFK, anyway moving on.

squigz
3d ago
1 reply
It would be more irresponsible to ignore it than anything else. A tempered response would be better.
Spivak
3d ago
3 replies
But why? Do you feel the need to respond to those weirdos in the street yelling about how god hates fags and the end of days or whatever? Is anything gained by acknowledging them at all?

There's plenty of real stuff this admin is doing to respond to; focusing on the performative nonsense that exists seemingly to keep them 'winning' in the news cycle to their base might just be wasting your breath.

squigz
3d ago
> Do you feel the need to respond to those weirdos in the street yelling about how god hates fags and the end of days or whatever?

There's a huge difference between the seriousness of "the official disease control of the US government" saying some nonsense and "random citizens yelling in the street" doing so.

> Is anything gained by acknowledging them at all?

Is there anything gained by ignoring them?

I'm sure it won't seem very performative to the kids who aren't vaccinated and get sick, or autistic folks who don't appreciate the correlation.

> plenty of real stuff this admin is doing to respond to

I'm sure we can respond to at least 2 things.

giraffe_lady
3d ago
This is the real stuff this admin is doing. Using the public health apparatus to discredit and dismantle one of the most successful medical projects in human history is real stuff.
smackeyacky
3d ago
Because it normalises dangerous bullshit and that should be a line in the sand for any responsible human. You can’t dismiss it because it’s part of a much wider pattern that is fuelling the justification of other dangerous bullshit we used to suppress in the pursuit of harmony.
triceratops
3d ago
1 reply
If people get used to ignoring government health recommendations, what happens if a responsible government comes back in power?
frumplestlatz
3d ago
2 replies
You’ll have to let me know when that has ever really happened. I can’t recall a single government in my lifetime that didn’t push some remarkably stupid and irresponsible nonsense.

People my age probably remember the classic 90s “food pyramid” in school and on the back of sugared cereal boxes — it pushed empty carbs as the the foundation of a healthy diet.

venturecruelty
10h ago
1 reply
"All governments make mistakes. Therefore, pushing propaganda and lies about vaccines is okay, like telling kids three servings of vegetables is okay when actually it should be four."
frumplestlatz
5h ago
They literally created three+ generations of fat Americans.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/rebuilding-the-fo...

viraptor
3d ago
There's a difference between doing something well meant, failing, and improving -vs- going back to theories already proven wrong and harmful. There's a reason we don't have the food pyramid - we're learning.
JohnMakin
3d ago
1 reply
What gets lost in this debate, which to me seems settled in favor of the actual science done over the last several decades, is how insulting and dehumanizing it is to use autism spectrum disorder as the boogeyman for vaccines, to the point people are passing on treatment for completely preventable, horrible diseases on the belief there is a small chance their kid could come out gasp "autistic."

Up to 70% of people on the autism spectrum are considered high functioning, requiring minimal to moderate support. That's the other insulting thing about it - the fact that the worst autistic outcomes (nonverbal, low IQ, etc.) are used to represent the whole of the population.

The whole thing is gross. Say somehow you could eliminate autism spectrum disorder - there goes half your IT staff.

pipeline_peak
3d ago
3 replies
>The whole thing is gross. Say somehow you could eliminate autism spectrum disorder - there goes half your IT staff.

So people should suffer having a neurodevelopment disorder for the sake of serving computer systems?

That seems pretty gross.

tekne
3d ago
1 reply
I think the issue is that autism is not necessarily a disorder.

I'm mildly autistic and I like the way I am. Really. I don't consider it a disability at all; it's got pros and cons, but for every thing that I'm worse at than a "normal" person, I feel there's something else equally valuable I'm better at, so it balances out as a slight positive for me and a big positive for humanity because, as the OP alluded to, diversity enables specialisation.

The issue is of course some people genuinely experience autism as a disability, and the more severe it is, the more likely that is to be the case. But you can make a solid argument that autism is not necessarily disability: like height, gigantism is unhealthy, but being tall can be adaptive!

frumplestlatz
3d ago
I’m high functioning and sure —it’s fine-ish, I have advantages that somewhat balance out my disadvantages, and it’s not like I could change it even if I wanted to, so why despair about it?

However, I’d much rather not have to deal with it in the first place, and if I could be changed, I’d happily change.

If we can avoid future generations having to deal with it at this same relatively high rate, great.

avtar
3d ago
1 reply
Another way to interpret the parent comment would be that a lot of people are autistic.
pipeline_peak
3d ago
1 reply
The parent comment is also saying if they weren’t autistic, half the it force would be gone. Sounds pretty black and white.
JohnMakin
3d ago
It’s saying that the conditions and traits that tend to select for IT people is often represented in autistic populations. Anyone that’s managed in IT can attest to this. Maybe “half” was a figurative exaggeration for effect, but you seem to be injecting an entirely different meaning and bias into the comment.
JohnMakin
3d ago
This is a gross misinterpretation of what I said.
periodjet
3d ago
3 replies
Doesn’t the new CDC site say something like “the autism connection has not yet been ruled out”? Why is everyone so intensely upset about this? What’s so bad about further investigation and science being done? The opposition to science here is so odd.

Imagine if any other topic were treated like this. “Nah no need to investigate any more, enough people have said they’re satisfied.” Such a person would rightly be scoffed at.

triceratops
3d ago
Why single out autism? Have we ruled out vaccines' links to cancer, diabetes, arthritis, eczema, and stuttering?
sidereal1
3d ago
It has been conclusively ruled out. At some point we don't need to keep checking if the Earth is round because no amount of research and evidence will convince some folks. This isn't a science problem, it's a propaganda problem.
JohnMakin
3d ago
It has been investigated. For decades, in fact. It’s been considered settled science for quite some time.
ChrisArchitect
3d ago
[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45992756

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