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Raccoons Are Showing Early Signs of Domestication

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The article discusses how raccoons are showing signs of domestication due to living near humans, sparking a discussion on the implications and characteristics of domestication.

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jakogut
4d ago
10 replies
> Oddly, tameness has also long been associated with traits such as a shorter face, a smaller head, floppy ears and white patches on fur—a pattern that Charles Darwin noted in the 1800s.

Hmm, so evolutionary pressure of existing around humans makes animals cuter.

I wonder why we find these features endearing?

forinti
4d ago
1 reply
I would bet on Paedomorphism, because we find babies and puppies cute.
scotty79
1d ago
Experiment in taming foxes that relied on a single principle of selecting animals that react to humans with least fear and aggression resulted also in those morphological changes. I think it's more about selecting animals that retain youthful curiosity and other traits into their adult life. Youthful morphological features just tag along.
burnt-resistor
4d ago
1 reply
Animal Auditions: Cute vs. Food - Denis Leary

https://youtu.be/IZBAtd9rty8

Perhaps a combination of adaptableness, small size, prodigious reproduction, and cuteness saved some species from being wiped out whereas other species didn't fare so well once humans arrived and transformed their territory. Adapt to urban encroachment or face extinction.

chrisweekly
1d ago
Reminds me of signs like "Rabbits for sale: pets or food"
sdwr
4d ago
1 reply
I believe the main biological lever is retaining juvenile features as adults, physically as well as mentally (like with dogs). What we see as cute is an honest signal that they are more child-like: less aggressive, more trusting and pro-social.
LeifCarrotson
1d ago
I also think that this is the central cause of a wide variety of domestic/cute adaptations. There are too many separate features to believe that raccoons and dogs and cats and a dozen other species all select for these same elements independently.

I no longer have the book on hand, but read a few months ago that this correlation between juvenile traits and domestication was one of the main theses of Barrett's "Supernormal Stimuli" in Chapter 4. She cited a few studies of fox domestication [1], [2] and other works to support these theories.

[1]: https://courses.washington.edu/anmind/Trut%20on%20the%20Russ...

[2] https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(05)...

I_AM_A_SMURF
1d ago
1 reply
We're programmed to take care of (human) babies. That's pretty fundamental to our species survival.

Those features activates the same areas of our brain that babies' faces activate.

Feeling that something is "cute" is the evolutionary way that our brain is using to make us care of our kids.

actionfromafar
1d ago
Put slightly differently, they look cute because we are all mammals and they are cute.
nom
4d ago
> I wonder why we find these features endearing

It's a side effect, evolution made sure we take care of our offspring.

dvh
1d ago
I thought it's because adrenalin and melatonin are produced in the same brain region, or something like that.
yvan-eht-nioj
1d ago
Perhaps the cute ones receive more food, improving their ability to raise offspring.

As humans increasingly de-wild the planet and control all food sources, selective pressure will favour cuteness similarly, until eventually the entire ecosystem consists of nothing but fluffy, doe-eyed creatures.

nine_k
1d ago
Since humans associate cuteness with large eyes and small body size, nocturnal / twilight animals, like raccoons, sugar gliders, cats, squirrels, etc have a larger chance to be domesticated as pets.
breakpointalpha
1d ago
I've heard that the same process of domestication towards "cuteness" has been outlined in human evolution too.

Larger head-size relative to the body, larger eyes, smaller jaws and noses, longer limbs, etc.

Interesting parallels across species towards less aggression, greater pro-social behavior, more physical traits that shout "trust me, I'm harmless."

Almost like pro-social, intelligent team co-operation is a huge advantage compared to solo predatory behavior.

zamalek
4d ago
My guess: possibly co-evolution. The article subsequently describes the genetics behind things becoming cute - which would have been completely benign to our ancestors (the core of your question). However, those of our ancestors who completed domestication of these animals (by random chance) would have enjoyed more protection from predators, rodents, etc. Those of our ancestors who attempted to domesticate things without the mutations might have had bad companions at best, and would have been predated at worst. This would have provided evolutionary pressure to adopt animals that were showing early signs of domestication. What we call "cute" is merely "likely to cooperate with us."
oxw
4d ago
2 replies
> “I’d love to take those next steps and see if our trash pandas in our backyard are really friendlier than those out in the countryside,” she says.

Would they have to measure "biological" friendliness, comparing lab raised countryside-descended and city-descended raccoons? Domesticated animals can be very unfriendly. Feral cats for example.

potato3732842
4d ago
1 reply
It'll be interesting to see what their methodology is. Trapping tends to piss off any raccoon regardless of urban vs rural.
IAmBroom
19h ago
Honestly, measuring the distance to which a single raccoon approaches is a pretty good proxy. City birds are self-domesticating right now; wrens willing to be on the same table as a human get more fries to eat. (And I've actually used this metric on them: the same one or two reliably get closer than the others.)
ForOldHack
1d ago
1 reply
Oh right. But how do they taste? Asking for a friend.
IAmBroom
19h ago
Not great. My late dog and I agreed on that (although he had his raw, after freezing).

The raw meat is even smelly.

Edit: Dexter did say that, after a few days of aging in the forest, the flavor improved considerably. He was even willing to share.

burnt-resistor
4d ago
2 replies
Foxes too, generally. The average temperament tends to include curiosity, playfulness, and wariness but not moral fear of humans. People keep them as household pets so I'd call that domesticable. An experiment to speed up the process of fox domestication was undertaken. [0] Foxes tend to not be like almost all wolves (and many wolfdogs) which are reserved, not prone to social openness, and hard to read like American Akitas which makes them dangerous by dominance challenging, miscommunication, and untrustworthiness.

0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domesticated_silver_fox

kevin_thibedeau
1d ago
1 reply
Fox urine reeks. You don't want to live anywhere near that.
nunez
1d ago
1 reply
And I remember reading that they have awful BO naturally
IAmBroom
19h ago
Not usually, AFAIK, but the female's "in heat" scent is supposedly powerful.
IAmBroom
19h ago
What is "moral fear of humans"?

As crepuscular animals, they are very, very afraid of humans.

rufus_foreman
4d ago
1 reply
Saw two of them dead on the side of the road this morning in the stretch of a couple miles, that will drive some evolution.
foo-bar-bat
4d ago
No, it won't. Rabies might.
foo-bar-bat
4d ago
5 replies
Raccoons have been living literally inside of houses for centuries.

One was kept as a pet in Jamestown Virginia in the 1600s. Another lived in the White House in the 1900s. Surely, not a decade has passed between have there been NO domesticated raccoons in the US? If living near humans changes animals, that started at least 25,000 years ago here in North America. Not recently.

My neighbors had a pet raccoon growing up. It lived inside but would come and go.

The people who wrote this article seem out of touch with the topic they chose to pretend to be experts about?

tharne
1d ago
2 replies
> The people who wrote this article seem out of touch with the topic they chose to pretend to be experts about?

This is quickly becoming the norm for experts, unfortunately. I keep seeing more an more people with educational expertise in something that they have zero hands-on or practical experience with.

I remember being at a social event once and chatting with someone who was a business professor at any Ivy League university. Making small talk, I asked him which companies he'd worked at, and he told me that he had gone the academic track and started teaching during and after getting his PhD (in exactly what I don't remember). I remember being stunned that students would pay over $60k a year to learn about business from someone who'd never worked for or started a business.

markdown
1d ago
1 reply
> I remember being stunned that students would pay over $60k a year to learn about business from someone who'd never worked for or started a business.

Were you stunned that your parents paid lots of money to put you in front of educators from kindergarten to college?

Why would you restrict yourself to learning from one businessman when you can get learn from an educator who has distilled the experiences of hundreds if not thousands of business people?

NetMageSCW
1d ago
1 reply
Because they are terrible at distilling experience and teach bad lessons?

(MBA, anyone?)

IAmBroom
19h ago
You had bad teachers. That isn't necessarily the rule. (I mean, it might be, but not certainly...)
dfedbeef
1d ago
Wait till you find out lots of computer science PhDs can't program.
superultra
1d ago
2 replies
I think you’re mistaking slight natural adaption for domestication, and taking domestication for granted. Go into nature and try and train a wild wolf. Good luck! You can’t.

Domestication, in the way that we see having happened with dogs (and cattle, and chickens) takes a really long time.

We consider cats “domesticated” and yet demonstrably they are not. If they were much bigger, they’d eat us, and if set into wild, nearly all household cats immediately revert to feral.

I owned five ferrets once. Loved them so much, but came to the realization that there are animals that should be pets and animals that maybe shouldn’t (yet). I think we have many, many more generations before raccoons are at the same level as dogs.

IAmBroom
19h ago
1 reply
Ironic choice: ferrets are a wholly domesticated species of weasel, bred for rat hunting. They are domesticated, by any reasonable standard I'm aware of, as are cats.

I'm sorry your experience with cats hasn't been as pleasant, but I assure you they are much more domesticated than chickens - which you seem to have little experience with. Screw eating us - they'll eat each other.

superultra
10h ago
You’re wrong on several things. There’s a big difference in the kind of domestication of dogs - which we generally think of when we think of domestication - and animals who serve extracurricular domestication, ie ferrets.

I also have 2 cats, having had 2 prior. They’re great. But it’s just science that they are not fully domesticated.

I also lived on a farm as a kid.

So let’s not make assumptions to prove an incorrect point.

mr_toad
13h ago
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Sharlin
22h ago
1 reply
Individual animals can be tame. Only entire species can be domesticated. Two different things.
rozab
21h ago
That doesn't mean the process is happening naturally as asserted. For instance, wild black wolves in the US got this trait from hybridization with domesticated dogs.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2903542/

SideburnsOfDoom
1d ago
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lokar
1d ago
Did it say otherwise?

It primarily says they can now observe physical changes associated with domestication.

Also, keeping a wild animal as a pet does not domesticate it.

tptacek
1d ago
6 replies
If dogs started out as wolves and ended up as English bulldogs, imagine how stupid raccoons will eventually look.
indoordin0saur
1d ago
4 replies
Most cat breeds still look more or less like their wild relatives.
dvh
1d ago
2 replies
Have you seen short legged cats?
Levitating
1d ago
Yes and I'd like it to stop
IsTom
1d ago
That's a recessive trait that is fatal if they get two copies of it. When left to their devices they'll return to being normal cats in a few generations.
nunez
1d ago
1 reply
And then you have the fossa.
card_zero
22h ago
That's only a pretend cat, it's a lemur-thing really.
scotty79
1d ago
1 reply
Cats aren't really domesticated. Out of many, many cat species we just found one that's well aligned with humans and it spread with humans to the whole world. No other cat species plays well with humans and none shows any signs of domestication.
IAmBroom
19h ago
1 reply
Citation required for claim that runs counter to most scientific evidence.
scotty79
16h ago
1 reply
Sure thing. That one specific cat species was (and still is) Felis silvestris lybica. All domestic cats come from it and it's still the friendliest towards humans, out of all cat species.
mr_toad
14h ago
1 reply
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scotty79
8h ago
No dog looks like wolf unless it was intentionally bred for that look. You can barely tell mixed race domestic cats from their wild ancestor.
nine_k
1d ago
Most dogs, arguably, too. But there are French bulldogs, dachshunds, and pugs.

Among domestic cats, there are Persian cats and Sphinx cats.

ChrisMarshallNY
1d ago
1 reply
One of my favorite memes: https://share.google/sQw5gZ6O4wQspS61P
pruetj
19h ago
Thank you for this, I needed that.
ansgri
23h ago
Luckily there are still the extra snouty breeds like Belgian shepherds and various sighthounds.
dmix
1d ago
Probably something like a koala bear
cpursley
1d ago
Well this gave me some fun ideas for AI image generation. There goes the rest of my afternoon, thanks!
ForOldHack
1d ago
And pugs? What would a pug raccoon look like?
inasio
1d ago
3 replies
Skunks apparently make great pets (but need to have their stink glands surgically extracted), the pitch is smart like a cat but faithful like dogs
cinntaile
1d ago
3 replies
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Sohcahtoa82
1d ago
5 replies
Dogs are certainly better at looking intelligent. I think dogs, being a more social animal, are more eager to please, and so are willing to be trained.

Cats can vary wildly. One of my cats seems dumb as a box of rocks and haven't even grasped the idea of object permanence. If she's tracking a laser, and I move it around a corner, she can't figure out where it went. She goes from intense staring and tracking to standing up and looking around, confused. When I bring the laser back around the corner, she's instantly back to squatting and tracking it.

cosmic_cheese
1d ago
1 reply
> Cats can vary wildly. One of my cats seems dumb as a box of rocks and haven't even grasped the idea of object permanence

Similarly I've seen cats have one of two reactions to a mirror: ignoring it entirely or actually using it by e.g. looking me in the eyes and meowing at me through it. While I've not witnessed it personally on the internet there's also tons of videos of cats freaking out and trying to fight the other cat in the mirror.

This supports the idea that the gamut of intelligence in cats is quite wide.

IAmBroom
19h ago
I had a kitty that met her reflection on our first day together.

Step 1: Meow at "other" kitty.

Step 2: Walk around mirror to meet other kitty.

Step 3: Stare other kitty in face near edge of mirror, then suddenly bat paw around the edge to tag that elusive sucker.

Step 4: Sit and ponder.

Step 5: Accept that there is no other kitty. Hmmph.

One. Smart. Cat.

estimator7292
1d ago
I've known many dogs that fail this test, too.
coderenegade
1d ago
Our dog remembers the location of toys at the park over long periods of time, though being able to sniff them out probably helps. He also expresses genuine surprise and suspicion when he sees novel objects (e.g. the large Christmas tree that was put up in the park, a horse and rider), because he knows they're not usually there. He doesn't like fat people, which is embarrassing, but I also knew a dog as a teenager that freaked out anytime it saw someone who wasn't Asian. Just given the amount of back and forth communication that happens between most owners and their dogs, they're very clever. Cats are some of the best hunters in the animal kingdom, but I've never felt that they're there in the way that dogs are.
doctorshady
23h ago
I had a cat for a while that seemed surprisingly capable when he was motivated. The most interesting thing I saw him pull off was pushing a heavy bag of cat food off the top of a refrigerator to split it open.

Occasionally, he'd demonstrate the ability to plan too. When he started to get territorial and start fights with neighborhood cats, we started keeping him inside. Naturally, this didn't sit right with him. After watching someone enter the house every day in the evening, eventually, he would perch next to the door in the evening waiting to bolt out the moment the door opened.

dhosek
20h ago
I had a cat once who didn’t grasp the idea of a box having an inside. I used a cardboard box as a laundry basket and when folding laundry, I would ball pairs of socks and toss them inside the box. He always ran behind the box and couldn’t figure out where the socks went.
ExoticPearTree
1d ago
1 reply
> I think dogs in general are smarter than cats.

This is exactly what a dog would say.

Dilettante_
1d ago
And that's exactly what a cat would say! (≖_≖ )
nunez
1d ago
Dogs and cats have different modalities for intelligence.

Dogs are social animals that have evolved to be human companions a long time ago. This is why they are "trainable" and, therefore, seem more intelligent.

Cats are not; they are extremely good hunters that by and large tolerate humans in exchange for easy access to food and water. You can't really train them, but they will find hiding spots you didn't even know existed and you will NEVER have problems with mice with one around.

mc32
1d ago
1 reply
Are they as randy in real life as Pepe lePew?
dhosek
20h ago
Only towards black cats with a white stripe.
TylerE
1d ago
1 reply
Removing the scent glands of a skunk is considered about as ethical as declawing a cat. It just isn't really done anymore. Maybe 30 years ago...
cogman10
1d ago
2 replies
I don't really understand this. Isn't it about as surgically invasive as getting a pet spayed?

Does the scent gland do anything more than just stinking? For a cat, removing the claws literally removes bones from them. It limits their mobility and hurts like hell.

(Not that I want a pet skunk. Just curious as to why it's unethical)

TylerE
1d ago
2 replies
I mean, you're removing part of a living animal for human convenience. If the ethical issue isn't obvious I don't know what to tell you.

The practice has been banned in the UK for almost 20 years, under the exact same laws as ban declawing cats. It's unnecessary mutilation.

quickthrowman
1d ago
1 reply
We neuter male cats so they don’t spray piss everywhere and spay female cats so they don’t go into heat. Both procedures seems slightly more invasive than removing a scent gland in a skunk, given that it removes the sex organs that secrete hormones and changes their behavior.
TylerE
1d ago
1 reply
No, we neuter and spay so we are not overrun with feral cats. Not to control where they piss.
NetMageSCW
1d ago
2 replies
Then why neuter indoor cats?
rkomorn
1d ago
Because an indoor cat can get out accidentally.
TylerE
1d ago
Do I really have to explain what you get when you have unfixed cats around? Hint: MORE CATS
cogman10
1d ago
1 reply
We do a lot of bad things to animals for human convenience. Including forced breeding and raising them to be slaughtered.

The ethics is murky to me because I assume the procedure doesn't cause lasting pain and allows the animals to be pampered pets. The alternative is they are kept wild.

TylerE
1d ago
There are plenty of quite happy non-descented skunks out there.

They don’t just go around spraying. It’s a defense mechanism - pretty much their only one as a matter of fact. Tame pets are very unlikely to spray anyone not trying to hurt them.

underlipton
1d ago
1 reply
>Does the scent gland do anything more than just stinking?

It's part of their communication system. There's no direct corollary in human qualia, but you might say it's akin to permanently destroying your ability to flirt or tell other people that something belongs to you. You would still experience the impulse, but not have the cognitive equipment to do so any longer. Removing scent glands destroys the physiological equipment, of course.

IAmBroom
19h ago
1 reply
That's a wildly stretched metaphor. Spraying a threat with a chemical weapon so powerful it will deter a hungry predator is not akin to winking at a cute girl or boy.

And if the scent gland is "part of their communication system", then a loaded 45 is part of a (domesticated, modern) human's.

underlipton
17h ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_gland

Skunks use their anal scent glands as a defensive weapon, yes, and it's thought that this is their primary use. However, until recently, it was also thought that skunks didn't scent mark at all. It turns out that they do, through body-rubbing, like cats. It stands to reason then that we might also be wrong about the functions of their anal glands, and that (as with most carnivores) they serve some sort of less-extreme communication function in addition to the last-resort defense. But threat displays are also part of a human's communication system, yes.

In any case, there are differing accounts as to whether removal affects the animal, and also whether it's even necessary to prevent spray incidents.

https://publish.illinois.edu/maxallen/files/2021/04/Jackson-...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Skunks/comments/fyxdsk/hello_i_have...

smallerize
1d ago
2 replies
Just in time to spread a really awful parasite. https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/09/human-cases-of-racco... "severe, frequently fatal, infections of the eyes, organs, and central nervous system. Those who survive are often left with severe neurological outcomes, including blindness, paralysis, loss of coordination, seizures, cognitive impairments, and brain atrophy"
hojomojo
1d ago
2 replies
We treat deer for ticks, etc. A decade ago, I think we would have been smart enough to treat wild raccoons for this parasite, but the time of human domestication is over. In another decade, I expect humans will be marking their territories with feces again.
theoreticalmal
1d ago
1 reply
I, for one, am looking forward to that
davidw
1d ago
RFK Jr is right there with you.
shawn_w
1d ago
1 reply
That's already happening. 1/6 insurrectionists smearing poop on the walls of the capitol building to mark it as theirs for example.
what
1d ago
2 replies
You know this didn’t actually happen, right?
jb1991
1d ago
I think you misunderstand the comment.
shawn_w
1d ago
People testified under oath about how folks were pooping in offices during it, and it was widely reported at the time.
astroflection
13h ago
Yes. It's a nasty parasite: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baylisascaris_procyonis

Raccoons while cute, smart, interesting, etc., should not be considered as pets as long as this parasite exists.

deadbabe
1d ago
2 replies
Would be cool if it eventually leads to a Cambrian explosion of raccoon varieties after generations of breeding desirable traits.
ForOldHack
1d ago
They might even become intelligent!
mr_toad
13h ago
For thousands of years after domestication there were only a handful of dog breeds; hounds, sheepdogs etc, which were bred for their utility rather than appearance. It’s only in the last couple of hundred years that dog breeds have exploded.
GeekyBear
1d ago
2 replies
Just remember to remain wary of the cute ones.

> Raccoons are a rabies reservoir in the eastern United States, extending from Canada to Florida and as far west as the Appalachian Mountain range. Within these areas, 10% of raccoons that expose people or pets have rabies, making them one of the highest rabies-risks in the United States.

https://www.cdc.gov/rabies/php/protecting-public-health/inde...

fracus
1d ago
4 replies
> 10% of raccoons that expose people or pets have rabies

I don't understand the language of this quote. What does it mean for an animal to expose people?

kotaKat
1d ago
1 reply
An “exposure” in this instance to rabies would be physical contact - a bite, scratch, or from its saliva on an open wound for instance.
quadyeast
1d ago
and the 90% that expose people to rabies do not have rabies?
quadyeast
1d ago
1 reply
you would think that 100% of racoons that expose people to rabies have rabies.
jb1991
1d ago
It’s not saying anything like that.
MathMonkeyMan
1d ago
It's an odd framing. Out of R_t total raccoons, R_e bite or scratch (potentially "expose") humans. R_e / 10 of those were carrying rabies. So it could be that raccoons almost never bite/scratch humans, such that the behavioral effects of rabies are a significant motivator. It also could be that raccoons bite/scratch humans all of the time, and a ton of those raccoons have rabies. The latter is scary, but the former is likely the truth.

I wonder if increased interactions between humans and raccoons will lead to a reduction in that 10% figure (more reasons to bite humans).

cma
1d ago
It's that it's not 10% of racoons have rabies, but 10% of the ones that expose people to a bite scratch etc. The reason the numbers aren't the same, significantly less than 10% of them have rabies, is mainly that rabies itself can make them more hostile etc.
davidw
1d ago
1 reply
Is there something that makes raccoons different than say cats in terms of rabies?
shawn_w
1d ago
2 replies
Cats get vaccinated against rabies. I doubt there's one for racoons.
aydyn
1d ago
2 replies
Uh, the rabies vaccine is the same regardless of species. The only real difference is dosage.
shawn_w
1d ago
Glancing at Wikipedia, there seem to be a wide variety of different rabies vaccines, but, yeah, ones used on animals largely seem to be multi species.

And there are programs to distribute bait laced with oral vaccines to target, among other animals, racoons. So I guess they are vaccinated, at least in some areas. TIL.

taneq
1d ago
Huh, I'd never thought about it like that but yeah, the vaccine should depend on the targeted illness, not the recipient.
tzs
1d ago
1 reply
Raccoons actually do get vaccinated against rabies. There are large scale programs operated by the US government and state governments that regularly distribute vaccine laden baits from Maine to Alabama, to keep rabies from spreading to raccoon populations west of the Appalachians.

If a breach occurs they also will trap raccoons and vaccinate them by injection in the area of the breach.

dhosek
20h ago
1 reply
At first I read that as vaccine laden bats and for a moment, the world was just a little more delightful.
dhosek
20h ago
Or terrifying.
alexsngai
1d ago
3 replies
I want to see an intelligence-optimized domesticated raccoon breed, like the raccoon equivalent of a border collie
aerostable_slug
1d ago
1 reply
Imagine trying to keep an animal like that out of food it's not supposed to have (to include fish tanks). The dang things would probably learn to pick locks with their cute little hands.
BirAdam
1d ago
1 reply
This is precisely why I think exceptionally smart animals should never be pets: octopus, corvids, raccoons…
PepperdineG
20h ago
Raccoons are also social animals so they like to maintain good relations. My mom is friends with wild raccoons and they never try and break in even though they know there is food inside. The raccoons try and open the sliding glass door but they don't become home invasion robbers if they don't find food outside and can't get in through the door. What's funny is that her cats like to watch the raccoons for entertainment and will touch paws on glass but if only a screen door separates them the cats get very upset and frighten the raccoons who just want to be friends. Their intelligence seems to help them get along, like there's one raccoon that my mom has named and it comes when called and can understand my mom through the Ring doorbell. It understands that it is her voice but not her presence so will wait like a dog that has taken obedience. The raccoon is disabled having only one eye, so it survives through intelligence like befriending my mom and is the friendliest of all the raccoons.
neom
1d ago
2 replies
Get a pet rat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV9z0c1hjnA

(I'll convince you all to get pet rats eventually!!! :))

IAmBroom
19h ago
1 reply
Breed a rat with a furry tail, and you will overcome all resistance. That hairless tail is creepy - and I say that as an admirer of pet rats.
neom
7h ago
Funny thing is a rats tail is covered in hair and is very soft!!! (although they mostly hate their tails touched, very sensitive).
pixelpoet
1d ago
That's a pretty clever rat!
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1d ago
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mayhemducks
1d ago
2 replies
but are they edible though? I mean if they were domesticated fully, what would we do with them? I like my dogs thank you, ain't no way I'm having a coon for a pet.
ForOldHack
1d ago
2 replies
Despite no one actually mentioning the white tr*sh cookbook ... I do not see the point behind raising racoons for food. They do NOT taste like chicken. How do you think your dogs would taste?

I like your dogs too, and ain't no way I would disrespect them... Pets are not food sources. But a coon.. . They seem nice enough until they fight over food ... Then they become _ <- insert unfavoroable political party.

mayhemducks
18h ago
1 reply
Apparently coons used to be quite a popular delicacy in the south once upon a time. Dogs are predators, which is a very primal reason I could never imagine eating one. I've eaten bear, and it tasted terrible. Come to think of it, every predator tastes terrible. But the racoon is an omnivorous scavenger. I must admin I'm coon curious now. :)
mr_toad
13h ago
> Come to think of it, every predator tastes terrible.

Tuna tastes delicious. But you may be right about mammals.

IAmBroom
19h ago
> How do you think your dogs would taste?

Weird question. My preconceptions don't overrule my tongue. (And the answer is: hairy. Very hairy.)

IAmBroom
19h ago
Edible, yes.

Tasty, no.

nunez
1d ago
1 reply
People have been trying to make the house raccoon a thing: https://old.reddit.com/r/raccoons

From what I remember spending time on this topic, raccoons need super challenging locks as toys and TONS of engagement from their keepers because they get bored easily and bored raccoons == ultra destructive raccoons. Also, rabies.

caymanjim
1d ago
7 replies
They're pretty great pets. We had one for a while when I was a kid. Its mom got run over and we nursed it and raised it for a few months. Instinctively used the same litter box as the cats. Hung out on the couch sitting on my shoulder watching TV. Friendly and playful. Would follow people around and play with toys.

The biggest challenge is that they basically have hands. He would climb up the kitchen cabinets, grab a box of cereal, open it up and sit there eating out of it like a toddler.

We only had him for a few months before reintroducing him to the woods behind the house. I've wanted a pet raccoon again ever since.

mrsvanwinkle
1d ago
1 reply
best HN story ive read in a while. i want a raccoon that eating tinyfist-fuls of cereal steaight from the box it opened, watching TV
4ggr0
1d ago
sounds very similar to a stoner-roommate to be honest. a bit chaotic, but peaceful. hungry, and bored.
riffraff
1d ago
4 replies
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callmemclovin
1d ago
2 replies
Well at least in Germany they are a thing - a quick google search says there's a population of >1 million raccoons in Germany.
tomaytotomato
1d ago
Indeed, Germany has a Raccoon problem

https://youtu.be/eq3brUMm3gA

fnands
21h ago
Can confirm. I was running through a forest in Berlin and saw a raccoon in a tree.

Was a little confused, but apparently quite a few around here.

shawn_w
1d ago
1 reply
Rascal: A Memoir of a Better Era. I had that book as a kid. There was a live action Disney film of it; didn't know about the anime version. Neat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rascal_(book)

IAmBroom
19h ago
1 reply
A generation of us grew up deeply coveting a pet coon, and have never given up on that dream, really...

The shocker for me was the bit about Rascal learning not to wash his sugarcubes before eating (or actually, to rinse once, because he was OCD about washing his food). Not that itself, although fascinating and charming; the idea that sugar was rationed to the author's family was mindblowing to juvenile me.

QuercusMax
12h ago
I haven't read the book but it seems that this was wartime rationing based on what I read about it on the wiki article?
gyomu
1d ago
1 reply
And the anime was so popular it led to raccoons being imported en masse to Japan and becoming an invasive species when their owners released them

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rascal_the_Raccoon#Impact

NalNezumi
20h ago
1 reply
I learned about this 2 years ago when a racoon showed up in Tokyo close to where I lived. [1]

wild to think they spread even all the way to Japan because of anime. and probably south Korea now. They banned raccoons in Japan but it seems to not have caught up in SK and there are a lot of racoon pet videos from SK on YouTube)

[1] https://youtu.be/P2yDY5HlUBw?si=YP_Bkd_oQZ86YOHt

hyeonwho4
20h ago
There use to be "Raccoon cafes" in Seoul. You go buy a drink and pet the raccoons. IIRC animal cafes were banned around 2019 or so.
mamonoleechi
23h ago
Racoons are invading the north east of France: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2ijwZROb6g
EdwardDiego
1d ago
1 reply
My wife and I wish our country didn't have such restrictive biosecurity laws, because AWWW THEIR CUTE LITTLE HANDS....

(I mean, there's good reasons my country does have those laws, and I don't _really_ want to have a wild animal as a pet, but I kinda do.)

trhway
21h ago
on the other side - if not for these laws, somebody would have produced a pet racoon breed in several generations, smth like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domesticated_silver_fox
gwd
23h ago
4 replies
I remember reading somewhere once that baby raccoons are actually quite cuddly and tame; but that when they go adolescence, they have a hormone shift that makes them aggressive enough to be unsuitable as a pet. In the story a woman who had raised a baby raccoon was attacked by it after it grew to a certain age.
zukzuk
21h ago
1 reply
Judging by the murderous sounds you hear all night here in the summer, I would not want to be cornered in a dark alley by a gang of adolescent raccoons.
amypetrik8
20h ago
>Judging by the murderous sounds you hear all night here in the summer, I would not want to be cornered in a dark alley by a gang of adolescent raccoons.

Well if you ask me adolescent raccoons are a big problem in many of our cities, I'd be worried about such a case myself.

mr_toad
15h ago
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dwd
9h ago
Wombats are the same. Cute and cuddly when little and one day just snap.
ekropotin
13h ago
Well, that sounds a lot like humans offsprings
barbazoo
19h ago
What about the smell? I’ve experienced ferrets is why I’m asking.
bitwize
1d ago
"What do you think we have these wonderfully articulate fingers for? To scratch our asses?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqTt_jDDCio

Ccecil
1d ago
A former girlfriend of mine had a picture of her mother holding a Raccoon. I asked her mother about it and she said that they lived out in the woods in Minnesota and they found it on the porch when it was a baby. The mother had died or something so they kinda raised it. It was free roaming in/out of the house but they could hold it and it would also get into their food. She mentioned one time it ate a bunch of mixed nuts...but didn't like one type so it left all those in the bowl. Another time it ate an entire pie...but left her one piece ("so she wouldn't get angry"). She did say it was never really a "pet"...more like a wild animal that sometimes acted like one. This would have been in the late 70s early 80s by my guess on her age in the pictures.
morkalork
1d ago
I think I know one or two family members who have been aiding and abetting this evolutionary process
xnx
1d ago
President Calvin Coolidge had a pet raccoon in the White House: https://blogs.loc.gov/loc/2021/01/when-rebecca-the-raccoon-r...
smm11
1d ago
Just name coyotes to the AKC, would you?
mindcrime
1d ago
Amusing, albeit mostly irrelevant, sidebar...

On Facebook, there's been this running gag/joke/meme/whatever going for at least the last year, where anytime the official North Carolina Wildlife Resources Commission page posts anything, a large portion of the comments quickly turn into a discussion of the merits (or lack thereof) of pet raccoons.

I don't know exactly how it started. Somebody innocently asked "How do I get a permit for a pet raccoon?" and the page replied "You can't, they are illegal in NC" or something prosaic like that I imagine. But it became a big "thing" and now raccoon talk is everywhere. The page controllers play along with it, which is part of why it's kept going so long I guess. But sometimes they'll get semi-serious and post something like

"Look, all joking aside, the reason pet raccoons are not allowed is because no matter how friendly raccoons look, they are wild animals, not domesticated, and they can be a hazard to you, and your family and <blah, etc, etc>".

Soooo... I'm just waiting to see somebody post this very article in a comment on that page with a note saying "Suck it, NCWRC!" (all in a spirit of good fun, of course).

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