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Outdated Samsung handset linked to fatal emergency call failure in Australia

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An outdated Samsung handset was linked to a fatal emergency call failure in Australia, raising concerns about device reliability and emergency services.

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drcongo
2h ago
7 replies
Why would an outdated OS prevent emergency calls specifically?
aaronmdjones
2h ago
1 reply
If the OS doesn't recognise it as an emergency number then it may fail the call if it believes that whatever network it is associated with won't connect it ("No service" vs "Emergency calls only" indicators etc if you are out of coverage from your SIM's network but within range of other networks).

Emergency calling is supposed to work over any network (even without a SIM card inserted, much less an activated, registered, associated one), but only if the OS tries to dial it as an emergency call.

johann8384
1h ago
But this wasn't a new emergency number.
jerlam
2h ago
1 reply
Emergency calls often aren't just normal phone calls. At least in the US, they're required to transmit their location to the operator, and this is the case in many other countries as well. I doubt the technologies are standardized.
sowbug
39m ago
It would be surprising if location transmission failure led to complete call failure. You'd think that it ought to fall back to just making a regular phone call.
dietr1ch
2h ago
I remember an old Android crashed or something. Maybe it still carried that bug?
charcircuit
2h ago
For example if your phone only makes emergency calls over 3G and the carrier shuts down 3G, then you will be unable to make emergency calls anymore.
joshuaissac
2h ago
Some handsets do not connect to secondary networks for emergency calls without the update that fixes the problem.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-10-22/samsung-mobile-device...

shkkmo
2h ago
This is explained if you click through the link to the Samsung post about this issue.

> Australian mobile operators and Samsung have identified a number of older mobile devices that will not correctly connect to an alternative mobile network to make Triple Zero calls when the customer’s primary mobile network is unavailable. These devices need to be updated or replaced to make sure they work reliably in an emergency.

seethishat
2h ago
What happens if I don’t act?

Under the Government’s Emergency Service Call Determination, all mobile network operators are required to block devices from their networks that are not configured to access emergency call services. If your device is on the list of impacted devices, you will have 28 days from when we notify you to update the software or replace your device to stay connected to the Telstra network. After this time, the device will be blocked from accessing all Australian mobile networks.

Can I still use my phone on my home Wi-Fi after it is blocked?

Yes. Your phone can connect to a Wi-Fi network for data purposes only. However, blocked devices won’t be able to make or receive voice calls over Wi-Fi, including emergency calls, or send and receive SMS.

https://www.telstra.com.au/exchange/older-mobile-devices-cal...

everdrive
2h ago
5 replies
>"Customer safety remains our highest priority," said CEO Iñaki Berroeta.

It's fun to imagine a world where a lie like this could be a legal liability. I mean an actual court case, where evidence is brought and the claim is tested. "Is customer safety a higher priority than shareholder value?" and "why don't you support old devices" and then Samsung would need to produce internal evidence to try to make their case.

Nothing like that will ever happen, but I can dream.

neom
1h ago
2 replies
Is this puffery or not? I don't know, IANAL, but maybe? I checked and Puffery is legal in Australia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puffery
NooneAtAll3
1h ago
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puffery

literally the definition from there

> Puffery is undue or exaggerated praise

talking about yourself is not "praise"

I wonder if it can go as false advertizing, tho...

NuclearPM
1h ago
You don’t need to tell people that you are not a lawyer. That is the default.
goldeneye13_
1h ago
1 reply
Chances are there will be securities fraud case. Where they will refer to statements such as these and the fact that it wasn’t really the case. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-06-26/everyt...
alwa
8m ago
I don’t follow. In this case, the law required everyone to do what they did: provide an update, warn subscribers to update, and eventually drop devices that chose not to heed the warnings.

> Under the federal Emergency Service Call Determination, all operators must block handsets that can't complete Triple Zero calls if they remain unpatched for 28-35 days after the first warning – a rule TPG says it followed.

How would you even begin to pin down what “customer safety” means here? Isn’t it very much in the spirit of safety to say “if it can call at all, it must be able to place an emergency call; if it can’t place an emergency call on the current emergency calling scheme, you have to prohibit all other calling too”?

Plus, safety from unpatched devices on the customers’ network is safety too, right? Would it be “safer” to force the system update onto handsets without letting the subscriber decide?

Plus, just because something is a “priority” doesn’t mean you’re good at it…

WheatMillington
33m ago
3 replies
It's hard to understand how this is Samsung's liability. The device was extremely old (nearly 10 years), and an update was available nonetheless. The user had received multiple warnings and notifications that this update needs to be applied for emergency calls to continue working.
Sat_P
14m ago
If a phone functions properly with a SIM card (i.e gets good signal/reception), then in my opinion the user should be able to call emergency services.
interestica
8m ago
We have all lost functionality of a device we paid for after an update. You can’t fault a user for avoiding it. It’s the root that should be addressed.
stavros
29m ago
When updating devices that old almost certainly means that they become unusable, I can't fault the person for not updating. I've learned not to apply updates any more, in the spirit of "if it isn't broken, don't fix it".
sharpy
15m ago
If it becomes a liability, wouldn't the onus be on the network operators for failing to support devices sold within X years?
FridayoLeary
1h ago
I think it would be a worse world then the one we live in today where we allow some leeway for exaggerations.

As it is everyone and everything are overly careful of saying anything that might have legal implications. One outcome of that are new laws that are almost incomprehensible.

SketchySeaBeast
2h ago
5 replies
Wow, that list on the Samsung site is concerning. The S21 is a 2021 phone. Absolutely realistic people would still be using it, and outside of a tired battery I'll bet it's performing just fine.
jerlam
2h ago
1 reply
The fix is just a software update for that phone, it's not on the replacement list.
SketchySeaBeast
1h ago
Ah, ok, that makes a lot more sense, but I still have concerns about how this is a critical breaking fix, affecting so new devices.
Magi604
1h ago
1 reply
My S21 Ultra is the best phone I've ever had. I bought it a couple of months from when it was newly released and it just will not die. I've traveled with it, played all the games, thousands of photos, used it for nearly a year while I was doing gig driving (so plugged in and screen on for hours at a time), dropped countless times, and the screen has no cracks and the battery still lasts more than a day with regular use. For the past few years every new Samsung smartphone has piqued my interest, and the second my S21 dies I will buy whatever Samsung flagship happens to be the latest, but it just will not die.
computerex
1h ago
Same. I have now turned my s21 ultra into a full on gaming console with the following emulators installed on it: drastic, melonds, m64plusfz, citra, snes9x, super8plus, redream, superpsx, ppsspp, duckstation, aethersx2, ppss22, cemu, dolphin, eden, sudachi, citron. And even winlator.

It plays everything below switch flawlessly. Even on switch it'll run literally everything I have thrown at it from BoTW to ToTK to Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, albeit with poor performance. But lighter switch games like Super Smash Bros Ultimate or even the newer Super Mario Bros Wonder run flawlessly. Hollow Knight runs flawlessly.

I have an OLED steam deck, but I LOVE the portability of this phone. I play with it using the bsp d8 pro controller as well as the xbox series s controller using a magsafe case and a magsafe clamp that attaches to the controller. Phone works great for 3ds emulation as well.

Also the battery charges so quickly after a gaming session. It really is a wonderful gaming device.

1970-01-01
11m ago
1 reply
Something is definitely wrong when devices still under an extended warranty plan are totally useless bricks.

https://www.samsung.com/us/support/extended-service-faqs/

alwa
7m ago
Only (in the case at hand) if they choose not to apply the free system update, right? And even then, only to the extent that they use cellular network calling?

The newest device that they say needs replacement (vs updating) is a Galaxy S7, released 2017, right? Which would be well outside the 5-year-extended-warranty period that seems to be the longest one they sell at your link, if I’m reading it right.

stronglikedan
1h ago
I literally just upgraded from that a month ago, and only because of the degraded battery (which I was fine with but I was going on a trip and didn't want the headache). There's dozens of us, Jerry!
ljf
2h ago
I only just stopped using my HUAWEI P20 Pro - which I bought in 2018 - the phone was still great and handled everything I needed it to - plus the camera was amazing. I just got a new phone as the battery life was getting silly and it began restarting all the time - and I'm not loving it compared to the P20 Pro.

I think a 7 year old phone has no reason to not be suitable to 90% of what people want from a phone (in my case it was 100%). Frustrating to see them abandoned by manufacturers.

tlb
1h ago
2 replies
I'm trying to imagine a conversation with a Bell engineer in the 80s explaining that, in the future, a 4-year old phone won't be expected to call 911 any more.
fabioborellini
1h ago
These phones couldn’t do the thing in question even when 0 years old, due to a bug, and failure to fix that is the reason for getting blocked from the networks
mindslight
1h ago
context: from a landline you could call 911 even without a phone handset, simply by (un)touching the wires with the right timing. And this would even work in a multi-day power outage thanks to the battery banks at the central office.
WarOnPrivacy
1h ago
1 reply

    Wireless Telco: "Telstra also warned last month that older,
    non-upgradeable Samsung devices could fail Triple Zero calls
Which can be less of a problem if there are full-digit emergency numbers that could be saved as a contact (preferably quick-dial).

Auto-call routing can fail if you're on one side of a regional border but are connected to a cell on the other - and local EMS can't forward calls to the neighboring EMS (or just suck at it).

I used to live on a border and local EMS was 3-digit only. The only way to call the correct EMS was to call their non-emergency number and get forwarded - but only after getting scolded first for not calling the 3-digit number.

Scoundreller
20m ago
> I used to live on a border and local EMS was 3-digit only. The only way to call the correct EMS was to call their non-emergency number and get forwarded - but only after getting scolded first for not calling the 3-digit number.

I think there's a lot more code running on SIM cards these days to reduce/prevent that. On my Canadian Rogers phone, when I do a network scan, I don't see the american networks at all, but then when I put in a foreign SIM, they light up. Similarly, it can take a while of driving into the US before it detaches from the Canadian network and finally hands over to the US.

It was actually an issue with my French SIM that was supposed to work in Canada and USA: it REALLY wanted to connect to the US networks, even though I was ~10 stories up in Toronto and very occasionally getting an SMS through once an hour to the US network.

ChrisArchitect
43m ago
1 reply
Why Samsung Phones Are Failing Emergency Calls in Australia

https://hackaday.com/2025/11/19/why-samsung-phones-are-faili...

meatmanek
34m ago
This link actually explains the bug in question, unlike TFA.
skeezyjefferson
1h ago
the price you pay for making telephones into computers. i love em but boy do they fuck up regularly.
WarOnPrivacy
1h ago

    Handset Manufacturer: "We strongly encourage customers
    to keep their mobile devices updated with the latest software"
Updates (routinely!) sabotage user experience (inc handset updates). Users have reasonably learned to mistrust manufacturer recommendations.

When manufactures say "We strongly encourage customers to update", we hear "To juice short-term shareholder value, our product will suck more than ever".

6492718572
2h ago
The issue is due to the older phone not being fully compatible with VoLTE when roaming on a different network. A lot of older phones only supported emergency calls over 2g/3g which is slowly getting shutdown by networks. https://hackaday.com/2025/11/19/why-samsung-phones-are-faili...

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