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GPT-5.1 for Developers

tedsanders

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kevinkatzke

5d ago

3 replies

This got only a single comment and 34 points in 3 hours. Crazy how the dynamics have changed around model releases in just a single year.

throwup238

5d ago

1 reply

There was already an announcement post for 5.1 yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45904551

dang

5d ago

Thanks! Macroexpanded:

GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45904551 - Nov 2025 (672 comments)

observationist

5d ago

2 replies

This is the first low-key, silent feature rollout, treated like "just another software update", with no hype or buzz beforehand. Prior to this point, every other feature release was pumped for weeks or even months with "leaks" from insiders and deliberately getting people amped. I don't know if OpenAI changed marketing tactics, or if they're in a new chapter in some book, but this is a radical shift from what they were doing before.

anuramat

4d ago

sounds like this is just a new snapshot, so I don't think anything changed (upd: anything about their marketing I mean)

voc

5d ago

I feel like the rollout was a bit rushed. Benchmarks for 5.1 came out a day after the launch. New models weren't immediately available through the API. And then there's 5-Codex-Mini which was deprecated only six days later by 5.1-Codex-Mini. Wondering if Gemini 3 forced their hand here?

amelius

5d ago

More of the same, I suppose.

You have to be called Apple to get raving reviews for that.

__jl__

5d ago

1 reply

The prompt caching change is awesome for any agent. Claude is far behind with increased costs for caching and manual caching checkpoints. Certainly depends on your application but prompt caching is also ignored in a lot of cost comparisons.

pants2

5d ago

Though to be fair, thinking tokens are also ignored in a lot of cost comparisons and in my experience Claude generally uses fewer thinking tokens for the same intelligence

miohtama

5d ago

2 replies

> On coding, we’ve worked closely with startups like Cursor, Cognition, Augment Code, Factory, and Warp to improve GPT‑5.1’s coding personality, steerability, and code quality.

Why no GitHub?

conception

5d ago

Microsoft isn’t a startup and I suspect open AI is working closely with Microsoft already.

mmusc

4d ago

Model is available on copilot.

dweekly

5d ago

3 replies

A few hours of playing around and I'm suitably impressed.

Claude 4.5 Sonnet definitely struggles with Swift 6.2 Concurrency semantics and has several times gotten itself stuck rather badly. Additionally Claude Code has developed a number of bugs, including rapidly re-scrolling the terminal buffer, pegging local CPU to 100%, and consuming vast amounts of RAM. Codex CLI was woefully behind a few months ago and, despite overly conservative out-of-the-box sandbox settings, has quite caught up to Claude Code. (Gemini CLI is an altogether embarrassing experience, but Google did just put a solid PM behind it and 3.0 Pro should be out this month if we're lucky.)

Codex with 5.1 high managed to thoughtfully paw through the documentation and source code and - with a little help pulling down parts of the Swift Book - managed to correctly resolve the issue.

I remember getting the thread manager right being one of the harder parts of my operating systems course doing an undergrad in computer science; testing threaded programs has always been a challenge. It's a strange circle-of-life moment to realize that what was hard for undergrads also serves as a benchmark for coding agents!

CharlesW

5d ago

1 reply

> Claude 4.5 Sonnet definitely struggles with Swift 6.2 Concurrency semantics and has several times gotten itself stuck rather badly.

What solved that for me was to leverage the for-LLM docs Apple ships with Xcode, and then build a swift6-concurrency skill. Here's an example script to copy the Xcode docs into your repo: https://gist.github.com/CharlesWiltgen/75583f53114d1f2f5bae3...

dweekly

5d ago

Lovely find!

/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/PlugIns/IDEIntelligenceChat.framework/Versions/A/Resources/AdditionalDocumentation/Swift-Concurrency-Updates.md

is exactly the primer to give an agent.

WhyOhWhyQ

5d ago

1 reply

"including rapidly re-scrolling the terminal buffer" Yes this bug is brutal.

"consuming vast amounts of RAM" Also this. Claude will leave hanging instances all the time. If you check your task manager after a few days of using it without doing a full reset you'll see a number of hanging Claude processes using up 400 mb of RAM.

Claude actually has a huge number of very painful bugs. I'm aware of at least a dozen.

gigatree

4d ago

The iOS app has also gotten pretty buggy. Not a great sign for the future of software, in terms of stability.

htrp

5d ago

>but Google did just put a solid PM behind it

Citation?

gedy

5d ago

1 reply

The "apply_patch" addition is nice, as have been struggling to get any AI API to correctly return diffs

anuramat

4d ago

1 reply

what's the point of apply_patch and shell tools though? can't you just define your custom tools with exactly the same behaviour, since you're implementing the actual execution on your side anyway? sounds like vendor lock in for the sake of vendor lock in

gedy

4d ago

1 reply

In my case, I don't want to do diff tool on my side as the diff is much smaller to send. Versus the LLM sending the whole file (slowly), just to send it back.

anuramat

1d ago

1 reply

I thought you still need to implement the patching on your side? judging by <https://platform.openai.com/docs/guides/tools-apply-patch>

gedy

1d ago

You do, but the issue this helps with is it's difficult to get LLMs to return accurate unified diffs, which are valuable if you are editing some larger text via their APIs. The alternative of letting it send back the entire edited text is pretty slow. So them sending an accurate server-side diff (likely from some actual diff tool and not just LLM generated thing that sort of looks like a diff) is really helpful.

sunaookami

5d ago

2 replies

Man these names are so confusing and now reasoning_effort "minimal" was renamed to "none"? And the error message says only "medium" is supported?? Also the docs make no mention if gpt-5.1-chat-latest is included in the "free" offer (when having prompt sharing turned on). The popup says gpt-5.1 is included but not gpt-5.1-chat even though gpt-5-chat-latest is included. Why is it even called "chat" when it's official name is "Instant"? And what even IS the difference between gpt-5.1 and gpt-5.1-chat if both support reasoning_effort??

selbyk

5d ago

It's all vibe coded

tedsanders

5d ago

- reasoning_effort "minimal" was not renamed to "none"; "none" is a new, faster level supported by GPT-5.1 but not GPT-5

- there's no good reason it's called "chat" instead of "Instant"

- gpt-5.1 and gpt-5.1-chat are different models, even though they both reason now. gpt-5.1 is more factual and can think for much longer. most people want gpt-5.1, unless the use case is ChatGPT-like or they prefer its personality.

felixbraun

5d ago

Already live in Cursor btw

jtrn

5d ago

So is this better, different or replacing current codex ?

Tankenstein

4d ago

This is the first time since GPT 4.1 that I think I can upgrade our main agent model. Any noticeable amount of reasoning has been too slow for us, since the model is having a real-time conversation with the user. "minimal" reasoning GPT-5 performs terribly, it's significantly dumber than GPT 4.1 in a long, multi-turn conversation with tools.

This time, I just dropped it in and at first glance it seems to work well. I'll probably upgrade over the weekend if I see a boost in performance somewhere after tuning the prompts.

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