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Last activity about 1 month agoPosted Oct 20, 2025 at 11:17 AM EDT

Fury Mounts Over a Global A.i. Frenzy

moneycantbuy
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AI Development
Data Center Backlash
Environmental Impact
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The NYT article discusses growing backlash against data centers for AI development in countries like Mexico and Ireland, sparking debate among HN commenters about the trade-offs between technological progress and environmental concerns.

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Discussion (18 comments)
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firehose
about 1 month ago
1 reply
Why we need fusion?
antinomicus
about 1 month ago
Sure, that, plus the catastrophic cumulative effects of anthropogenic climate disruption, that will render large swaths of the planet uninhabitable, resulting in billions of climate refugees, that we’re likely already locked in / inevitably going to see in the not too distant future.
moneycantbuyAuthor
about 1 month ago
1 reply
Megacorps are driving up energy prices for everyone, locals seem powerless to stop these environmentally destructive data centers from draining the water table. All so the magnificent 7 can attempt to capture any remaining attention we have left.
wilg
about 1 month ago
1 reply
Is this true?
_aavaa_
about 1 month ago
> do drain the water table

No. https://andymasley.substack.com/p/the-ai-water-issue-is-fake

semiquaver
about 1 month ago
4 replies
Why can’t the water for cooling these be a closed-loop system?
JadeNB
about 1 month ago
1 reply
Maybe I'm being overly simplistic, but water that's been used once for cooling can't be used again until something else, possibly time or other natural processes, has cooled the water itself off, right?
voakbasda
about 1 month ago
1 reply
One option would be to install a water cooling system in the loop. Sure, that could easily double the facility’s power requirements, but that’s better than depleting limited water resources. Any power capacity built out for AI will likely find other uses if/when that bubble pops.
wiml
about 1 month ago
1 reply
The water loop is the cooling system. If you had a way to get rid of the heat from this new cooling system you could have just used it directly in the first place.
m4rtink
about 1 month ago
I think it is just cheaper as long as you have cheap/free water you can evaporate. Otherwise you would have to have to run a closed loop cooling system using regular AC tech (eg. some low boiling point liquid at low pressure, compressor, evaporator/condenser), that would be presumably more expensive to operate (but would not need lots of water to evaporate when operating).
2OEH8eoCRo0
about 1 month ago
2 replies
How do you cool the closed loop?
beefnugs
about 1 month ago
Guess what, they would figure it out if they were charged more for their non-life giving water use, vs the rest of us just trying to drink
thfuran
about 1 month ago
https://www.carrier.com/commercial/en/us/products/chillers-c...
everforward
about 1 month ago
They probably could, but then electricity consumption goes up because in a lot of places the temperatures required are below ambient. I'm seeing quotes that place desired water temperature around 80F, which is below ambient temperatures in most of the US at least part of the year.

It takes less energy to get fresh water that's 85F and cool it to 80F than recycle 90F water and cool it to 80F.

Also, I think the only truly "consumed" water is from evaporative coolers. Unless I'm mistaken, they start with potable and end up with warmer potable water. I don't think there's a reason it couldn't be fed into the water grid, where it should cool back down naturally. I guess the problem is when the datacenter requires more water than the rest of the water grid so you end up producing excess potable water.

Numerlor
about 1 month ago
Main "issue" is that evaporative cooling is just ridiculously effective compared to a normal heat exchanger with only air.

You can use water or air internally but then to get rid of the heat from the facility there aren't many choices. You either put it into the air which is cheap, into nearby water bodies which has other environmental concerns, or into the ground which is expensive. The air is the simplest, cheapest solution and using water for evaporative cooling in dryer climates makes it even better

tim333
about 1 month ago
There does seem a bit of a misallocation of capital. It would be different if people really wanted most of the AI stuff.
moneycantbuyAuthor
about 1 month ago
https://archive.is/bmlfB
strict9
about 1 month ago
In the past large developments would win over local government support with promises of jobs and investment in the local economy.

Now the only promises are a strained grid, higher energy bills and loud noise. It doesn't help that AI has been falsely attributed as the reason to lay people off in the past few years by CEOs who are actually just cutting costs or moving jobs offshore.

This situation probably gets worse before it gets better for the companies deploying new data centers.

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