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Nov 23, 2025 at 1:19 PM EST

Apple to focus on 'quality and underlying performance' with iOS 27 next year

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BooneJS
12h ago
1 reply
“Snow Leopard”, the original OSX release that focused under the hood, returns. I’m glad to hear it.
ChrisMarshallNY
11h ago
1 reply
Yup. Many folks think Snow Leopard was the bestest release ever.
steve1977
9h ago
It certainly wasn't the worstest.
ChrisMarshallNY
11h ago
2 replies
Good.

Mac OS has become a richly productive bug farm, lately.

I wonder if they'll ever get around to actually reading their bug reports, though...

thr0waway001
11h ago
1 reply
Yeah bro. For the first time I'm seriously considering adopting Linux as my personal desktop OS. I already use it at work for server stuff. So I'll get by. Maybe I'll miss some of the proprietary software, but that list is quickly dwindling.
glitchcrab
9h ago
FWIW, I've been daily driving Linux and an iPhone for almost 13 years now and I've never really had any issues with it. Maybe it's because I've not experienced some of the integration in the ecosystem and so I don't know what I'm missing.

I use Firefox as my browser across all devices so I can just share tabs via my account, and if I want to share text or files then LocalSend works just fine in lieu of Airdrop.

WheatMillington
4h ago
1 reply
This article is about iOS?
ChrisMarshallNY
4h ago
Yeah, but one of the reasons for using the same number for all OSes, was because they want to tie them together a lot more.
smcleod
11h ago
4 replies
I hope they invest some time in macOS, gosh it's become a right mess over the last 3-5 major releases - Tahoe is the worst of the bunch.
brikym
11h ago
2 replies
I'm still calling it liquid ass. The glass theme just makes things difficult to read for the sake of fashion.
_the_inflator
10h ago
5 replies
It is a gimmick, not anything users as a spectrum might find favorable. And the sad thing is, that Apple is the only one with such a laughing stock of UX/UI.

I am totally annoyed by the animations in Apple Notes. The icons have considerable increased in size and everything screams what a mess to me: the shadow as part of "the experience", partly rounded icons which talk more space than rectangles, hidden functions or multi function menus.

There is absolutely no spirit in this update. The animations show no variations, always the same most boring ones (the s curve in Apple Notes).

Lately I found die settings menu in Safari especially disastrous, the tab menu icons when pressed look so ridiculous, I lost words.

roughly
10h ago
1 reply
> And the sad thing is, that Apple is the only one with such a laughing stock of UX/UI.

Oh, give it time. We thought the same when they went flat, too.

gumby271
9h ago
We thought the same thing, and they made pretty significant changes to it based on that pushback. Also the flat redesign didn't have basic problems like white text on an white background all while Apple is saying they spent obscene resources on it.
firecall
8h ago
1 reply
> And the sad thing is, that Apple is the only one with such a laughing stock of UX/UI.

I'm not defending Apple here, but have you seen how people feel about Windows 11?

I don't mind the Liquid Glass UI so much as what's happened to the macOS UX :-/

jerlam
8h ago
Don't forget Windows Vista had "Aero"!

> The changes introduced by Windows Aero encompassed many elements of the Windows interface, with the introduction of a new visual style with an emphasis on animation, glass, and translucency; interface guidelines for phrasing and tone of instructions and other text in applications were available.

emchammer
9h ago
My macOS display is pushing megapixels and with some good exceptions it feels like many apps have not much more visible information or options than an 80x25 display. This is not to trash 80x25 displays which were often very well-designed. Some web pages only show a single paragraph at a time.

Megapixels.

F7F7F7
9h ago
For those of us who want our mobile devices to just be there when we need it...thank god there are no new animations. I don't need a shot of dopamine every time I open the Mail app. I just want to know that I successfully pressed the icon. Which is what micro interactions (aka small animations) are for. Feedback.

I hope the phone get's even more boring and uninspired next go around. Apple can afford to go back to the 'it just works' motto.

gessha
9h ago
I walked through a tech store recently and I saw the new iPhones with the liquid gimmick. I opened the camera app on one of their pro phones and it was lagging. I was shocked, I found it mind-boggling. Brand new phone, up to date OS, marketing material BS and for it to lag just feels unprofessional. I’d understand it if it was a Pinephone or whatever but from Apple? My expectations are reaching lower and lower depths.
Hamuko
11h ago
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candiddevmike
11h ago
3 replies
I'd bet you money within 5 years Apple will continue following Microsoft (after metro) and try "merging" macOS and iOS together into one OS, most likely iOS.
NaomiLehman
9h ago
2 replies
This is a good thing for the software ecosystem
gumby271
9h ago
I'd love to hear how
wiseowise
9h ago
> This is a good thing for the software ecosystem

That would be the case if they would expand iOS feature set to be closer to Mac, and not the other way around.

firecall
8h ago
I'd bet you money they dont!
1over137
9h ago
They are already merged really.
vunderba
10h ago
1 reply
My Mac M1 is effectively permanently locked to Sonoma, and I have zero intention of upgrading beyond that. I was pretty happy with Monterey, but eventually some apps started requiring Sonoma as the min requirement. :(
wtallis
5h ago
1 reply
What dissuaded you from upgrading to Sequoia?
abdusco
2h ago
Being a software dev dissuaded me from upgrading at all. I used to live on the cutting edge, now I don't update unless I am forced to. I stick to the version that works for me.
paxys
9h ago
5 replies
Macs make up 8% of Apple's revenue. That entire product line is basically a hobby compared to iPhone and its ecosystem.
lapcat
7h ago
1 reply
So you wouldn't mind taking an 8.5% pay cut? Apple stockholders wouldn't mind an 8.5% drop in the stock price?

If Apple dropped the Mac, how many of those former Mac users would also drop the iPhone? (I would.)

And of course, Mac is the platform for writing iPhone apps. Indeed, Mac is the platform that Apple engineers use to write the iPhone operating system, which was based upon and shares a lot of code with the Mac operating system.

The Mac is the lynchpin that holds the entire ecosystem together.

bdangubic
7h ago
> If Apple dropped the Mac, how many of those former Mac users would also drop the iPhone? (I would.)

I would drop every device I have currently (myself and my family) which is too many to admit publicly

gumby271
9h ago
This defense feels so ridiculous every time I hear it (and it's almost always about Apple). People trot it out about Airpods too. If Apple is too big to care about this product line, we should be enraged, not shrugging or pointing out how successful they are.
api
9h ago
They’re also what everyone uses to build software for the iOS ecosystem.
dangus
2h ago
Very shortsighted take considering Apple’s ecosystem advantage.

macOS is a major part of keeping iPhone users on iPhones, and in turn keeping Apple users buying subscriptions.

When you look at the most profitable demographics in the market (e.g. “computers over $1000”) Apple has a huge percentage of that market in both revenue and marketshare.

wiseowise
9h ago
That's almost 9 billion.
lapcat
11h ago
1 reply
1) The "0 New Features" Mac OS X 10.6.0 came 22 months after 10.5.0, not 12 months

2) 10.6.0 included significant under-the-hood improvements but also brought some truly nasty new bugs and was significantly buggier than 10.5.8, released a few weeks prior

3) 10.6 received 23 months of subsequent minor bug fix updates, up to 10.6.8 v1.1

We'd need two Snow Leopards in a row just to match Snow Leopard purely in development time, but now there's a lot more preexisting technical debt built up after well over a decade of annual major releases.

ValentineC
10h ago
1 reply
Like every other OS with a billion parts, they fix some moving parts while breaking others.

I was on Ventura until I very recently upgraded to Sequoia. Two little undocumented changes I noticed:

1) My Thunderbolt 4 NVMe enclosure was unusable in Ventura and would cause Finder to hang. It's usable now.

2) 6Ghz wi-fi was finally working for my M2 MacBook Pro.

eisa01
10h ago
I'm skipping Tahoe for now as well, but is it safe to upgrade my iOS devices to iOS 26? No sync issues or anything with my MBP?
thr0waway001
11h ago
2 replies
Fix that freaking keyboard FFS. Seriously. How is it that almost 20 years later it's still one of the worst parts of the iOS experience.

Also, ditch liquid glass on MacOS. That sh t is so Windows 7. It wasn't cool then and it isn't cool now. What the hell are you guys doing? Copying Microsoft now?

Nextgrid
10h ago
1 reply
Comparing that abomination to Windows 7 is an insult to Windows 7. Microsoft actually used to have good enough, usable/functional design back then.
loloquwowndueo
9h ago
I bet he meant Vista.
steve1977
9h ago
1 reply
I wish we had Windows 7 today. Either from Microsoft or Apple, I would buy it.
weq
2h ago
1 reply
Its a free download form internet achieve? just connect it to the internet with a NAT and enjoy the freedom and speed.
steve1977
1h ago
I should have said „supported Windows 7“ probably
krtkush
10h ago
4 replies
They need to fix Mac OS first. It’s one of the worst OS I have ever used - apps keep crashing, random UI/UX glitches and bad decisions overall.

I’ll probably ditch Mac if this degradation continues.

alberth
10h ago
4 replies
Are you primary using electron-based apps, or true native macOS apps?

Maybe I’m lucky but I run macOS daily without any problems.

(Yes, there’s fit/finish issues in the UI - but no issues with stability)

krtkush
9h ago
I don't think so. There might be some, but definitely not a majority.

My biggest complaint is with Firefox - it works fine on my older Mac, but crashes on Tahao and only works after a system restart.

frizlab
9h ago
Same here (except when switching branch in a repo with Xcode open…)
jrnichols
4h ago
Same here. While Liquid Glass might be a bit distracting, I don't remember the last time I had an app crash. It's been quite a while.

26.1 fixed a lot of the buggy/laggy feeling too.

AnonC
3h ago
> Are you primary using electron-based apps, or true native macOS apps? Maybe I’m lucky but I run macOS daily without any problems.

There’s an in-between abomination — Catalyst based apps from/by Apple (quickly migrated from iOS to macOS). Reminders, Notes and others are downright unnavigable and unusable with a keyboard and are so, so terrible in their UX. It’s a shame that Apple hasn’t spent any effort in fixing those and making them true native macOS apps.

tom_
9h ago
The article says this will apply to macOS as well.
wskinner
10h ago
Yes. The impossible to disable system services (photoanalysisd and friends) are an abomination of software design.
vondur
9h ago
I use MacOS daily on different machines and don't have that experience. I also manage many Mac's and I don't hear people reporting this kind of instability to me.
who-shot-jr
10h ago
4 replies
Would like to switch to Linux but hardware/laptop options are horrible compared to MacBook M series machines.
rjh29
9h ago
3 replies
I have used Thinkpads for over a decade and I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything. I can't imagine any scenario where a MacBook M chip would be required to be productive, it feels like a weird hill to die on.
wiseowise
9h ago
2 replies
Extremely noisy, flimsy keyboard, atrocious touchpad, rip-my-eyes out display.
righthand
6h ago
Half of these can’t be real issues because macbooks had the same issues for decades and an aluminum body was enough to overcome that. What happened? Oh right the vanity shot through the roof.
rjh29
9h ago
ThinkPad T14s is silent, keyboard is known as one of the best across all laptops even if it has got thinner. Trackpoint is there for a reason. The display I will grant you, it is not great. But I'm using my laptop to code not watch movies.
ghostpepper
9h ago
2 replies
Battery life is not remotely competitive
rjh29
8h ago
I understand the battery life sucks, but 8 hours is enough for me. I rarely go even >4 hours without being able to charge.
righthand
6h ago
Battery life that needs to last all day is a first world computing problem. Most people leave their laptops plugged in and as long as you don’t run 10 chromium apps or other reasource hogs in the background, you will easily get 10-12 hours of battery.
rewgs
5h ago
I daily drive an M1 MacBook Air and a Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen 11 running Arch/Hyprland. Software-wise I absolutely adore the latter, but hardware-wise it falls short of the Mac on nearly every level.

Battery life is horrendous (despite extensive tuning). The speakers are complete crap (despite using Easy Effects). Fans get loud sometimes because, well, it's x86_64.

It's a shame, because even though the Apple Silicon CPU is faster on paper, the same task flies on the Thinkpad compared to the Mac. And of course the Thinkpad's keyboard is fantastic.

Honestly the one thing I simply can't look past are the speakers. I work from home so battery life isn't a massive issue for me. Fans I can look past. But I simply cannot stand listening to music or watch a YouTube video on it, they are SO bad.

fsflover
10h ago
Try M1 or M2 with Asahi Linux.
piskov
10h ago
I installed omarchy, gave it couple of days.

Well, I will stay on windows with wsl and macos in the foreseeable future.

righthand
9h ago
Then please don’t make the leap. Because beyond your specific hardware design requirements that are “must be a macbook” there is a lot more trade offs you’re going to have to make. Letting go of your prudeness about what constitutes good and bad hardware should be the easiest barrier to cross.
JumpCrisscross
10h ago
1 reply
> Apple won’t quite launch ‘zero new features’ like they claimed with OS X Snow Leopard back in 2009, however. According to Gurman, Apple still plans to release a number of new AI features with iOS 27, so the company doesn’t continue to fall behind in the AI race.

Goddamit.

krackers
8h ago
Snow Leopard wasn't 0 new features, it brought pretty sweeping kernel level changes. Although I suppose being able to focus on low-level developer facing things rather than flashy new consumer facing things is still in line with the philosophy.
MyFirstSass
9h ago
10 replies
The number one priority must surely be fixing the keyboard, besides the horrible UX?

Millions are having problems for years so it's not just me, honestly thought i was "getting old" but no incredible amount of threads and now this on YT with 1 mil views:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hksVvXONrIo

paxys
7h ago
1 reply
Installing the Google keyboard has been step #1 on every new iOS device of mine for the last decade. Sometimes I'll accidentally switch back to the default one while typing and immediately notice how broken the experience is. And yeah, I have definitely run into the exact issue shown in this video.
wenc
7h ago
[delayed]
wdb
5h ago
For some reason I have English&German, English&French keyboards and it always screws writing I just want a German or French keyboard when writing in that language. It's driving me crazy sometimes.
skwee357
9h ago
I through I’m just getting stupider and stupider with each day. I even started to reset my iOS keyboard autocorrect dictionary or whatever-magic-learning they do to fix this, but eventually will still mistype words.

Thank you for this video, it really made me feel that I’m not alone in this struggle of typing.

javier2
9h ago
I thought I was just incapable of learning. I find it so difficult to write on my ios keyboard.
louthy
9h ago
Finally, confirmation that I’m not going mad! I remember when I got my first iPhone, back in the day, and demoing to a friend how it was almost impossible to misspell something when typing fast. That is just not the case now. Typing performance has got worse and worse.

Just typing out this comment has been infuriating.

firecall
9h ago
Oh wow!

I thought it was just me!

atonse
3h ago
Geez lord I can’t believe this ever made it out of testing.

Even all the text selection stuff stinks.

Honestly I’m about to disable Apple Intelligence. I don’t know what’s going on there.

What is everyone working on over at apple?

Anyone checked if this still happens (it typed that as “halles” which isn’t even a word!) even after disabling Apple Intelligence?

wiseowise
9h ago
This is what 400k salary, 12 rounds of leetcode, system design and circus dancing interviews gets you, apparently.
unsnap_biceps
7h ago
I've been driving myself crazy over this. This video is a smoking gun proof that it's just broken.
wenc
7h ago
[delayed]
testdelacc1
9h ago
1 reply
I don’t usually complain about UX issues because I’m not bothered by small things. I can’t recall having a problem with ios before ios26, when the screenshot tool stopped showing the screenshot after you took one. Instead it would automatically save it to the gallery, which is not what I wanted.

The workaround for this bug was to lock and unlock the screen. Not the worst thing, but it indicated a shocking lack of give-a-fuck in Cupertino. This is one of the most basic flows, which they shipped in a broken state.

thenthenthen
1h ago
It does not show a preview of the screenshot anymore? Oh no, this function is a literal life saver for (to quickly translate things) :O
firecall
8h ago
Maybe it's just me, but if I was leading development of iOS, then a "Quality and Underlying Performance" focus would be the bedrock of anything that was modified or added to iOS.

How is it not? :-/

slimebot80
8h ago
Why wait? Fix things now.

I brought a Pro Max last year, after owning a perfectly fine 13 mini for years, and just my luck the latest iOS seems to make everything worse.

Face detection. Navigating photos. Unresponsive Apps. Confusing as f*ck UI.

No idea why I spent so much money on a Pro phone, should of stuck with the 13 mini and refused to upgrade the OS.

loloquwowndueo
9h ago
Holy shit so I will have to put up with iOS 26’s abysmal performance for almost a year? Nooo… this thing visibly and painfully struggles to keep up even on a brand-new iPhone 17. I was hoping for iOS 26 point releases fixing most of the garbage… sigh
MBCook
9h ago
Start by kicking out Cook, MASSIVELY toning down Liquid Glass, fixing the Mac to look more Mac like, and stop shoving ads in my face.
maffyoo
9h ago
my 83 year old mother was able to use (almost) all the features of iOS when she first got an iPhone, in 2012. It genuinely changed her life and meant she could participate in a world I dont think she ever expected to be comfortable in. She tried and failed to use a PC for years. Local library lessons, family time (and patience) etc, but she always needed support. the iPhone as different, it was simple to use with familiar user interactions with every app. Roll forwards to 2025, gradually bit by unnecessary bit bells, whistles and complexity has bled in from every angle. Last week I did a FaceTime call with her to help her log in to an app on her phone. She can do it fine on her iPad that hasn't been updated. this was like going back to her PC days - too complicated and giving her features she didn't ask for, or need.

what was it Steve Jobs said?

"If you were a product person at IBM or Xerox, so you make a better copier or a better computer — so what? When you have a monopoly market share, the company is not any more successful. So the people that can make the company more successful are sales and marketing people. And they end up running the companies. And the product people get driven out of the decision-making forums. And the companies forget what it means to make great products. Sort of the product sensibility and the product genius that brought them to that monopolistic position gets rotted out by people running these companies who have no conception of a good product versus a bad product."

rckt
9h ago
This is amazing. Once a company that built its reputation on quality and performance wants to focus on that. iOS became a parody of itself. 26 feels like a cheap knockoff of an iOS. Hundreds of people get paid to enshitify experience for millions of users. That’s incredible. And then they simply say that yeah you know it’s time to work on quality and performance. Isn’t it what always had to be there in the first place? Ridiculous.
lossolo
9h ago
Apple hardware is great, but the software has become complete garbage.

On my Apple Watch I have regularly occurring hiccups where the whole UI freezes, especially when I go into training mode to pick an exercise. On my iPhone, after the liquid glass update, I get a noticeable slowdown and stuttering FPS when moving from the widgets screen to the first page and in other parts of UI. I'm afraid to upgrade my MacBook to the new OS, so I don't.

tacker2000
9h ago
Why do they even need to release a major version every year? Whats the point?

For the hardware, i get it, but the OS doesnt really drive sales, and if you have the pressure of releasing new amazing features every year then maintenance and bugs get left behind, and you end up in the situation that we have now…

bn-l
2h ago
How did it get to this point? Don’t the old folks at Apple use iPhones?
joecool1029
9h ago
I'm an outsider to the big tech companies so I don't know how it looks on the inside, but I have thoughts and maybe it will spur some discussion.

I've heard it said that there is manager culture, push to ship new features to pad resumes, etc. So you have these teams building new projects/products and some of it is a miss. There's an escalation path from outside and inside that allows for radars to be filed for major issues. I remember tracking one when I got the original iPhone SE they had a bug in the bluetooth stack that made handsfree calls sound all full of static for the first release or two after launch. We all know bluetooth is a pain and they handled fixing this well. I assume logically with most projects you expect to field lots of bugs early on at launch and then you take resources off once it's been live for a bit and the problem reports slow down. Then it's just debt or not important and how does it ever get handled?

With Apple, there are little ongoing bugs I would like to file, I have submitted on-device feedbacks before but it feels like sending into a black hole. Here is a simple bug, very easy to describe: Accessibility > Audio & Visual > Flash for Alerts (enable it). It flashes the camera light when you get a notification so you can visually see alerts while the phone is silent and not in a pocket. This works on its own, but if you are using the camera light as flashlight and people begin to message you, it will flash and turn the flashlight off. It should remember the state of the flashlight before it flashes but it doesn't and turns it off each time. This is not a new regression.

I guess I write this comment because we have these large companies lots of resources, some unique divisions like Google's Project Zero; but are there any non-project tied teams inside these companies that deal specifically with 'tech debt' and company internal interoperability issues and can pad resumes with that? We knew US gov had 18F, thinking of a division that fixes issues between the teams that might not usually talk.

The most dysfunctional large company at this time seems to be Microsoft and I could write a whole series on how the most basic things are broken (stuff like Share icon for photos only trying to share using Windows Mail and not Outlook). Or the fact that IMAP was broken on the Android Outlook client from August until the past week (it's almost fixed can delete mail again, just can't move it automatically to trash, has to be permanently deleted). And you just feel the different divisions across platforms don't talk to each other and the consumer slop is separate from the paying business stuff and that's split between the Outlook and chromium Outlook, and that's all a totally different thing than the Sharepoint/Teams stuff. But also the mandate of god says Copilot must be everywhere and if you are using classic outlook on monthly channel you must accept your lord and savior Copilot into your Outlook life and there's not a current way to turn it off (officially).

With Apple and quality: They do appear to still be doing 'the good stuff under the hood' most don't pay attention to. I look at their Air, people confused as to who it's made for, fashion item or whatever I heard in another thread. But I am laser focused on connectivity/modem stuff, before I had the RCS issue the last time I walked into an Apple store was to look at the 16e, not to buy it (I have a 15 pro) but because I'm happy to see another modem vendor on the market that might know what they are doing. The Air is an evolution of this, it will eventually go into flagships when it's ready. This is the good stuff under the hood, besides the increased margin for Apple at not having to pay Qualcomm... there is room for improvement. I guess sub-6 performance is looking much better. I know something that was noticed awhile back is Mediatek seems to have much better latency than Qualcomm modems, but they don't really have flagship modems in handsets in the US market, just in AP stuff like the T-Mobile Home Internet (where I've had units with both Qualcomm and Mediatek and can say the latter wins). Would really want to know how Apple compares to it.

mikequinlan
13h ago
I sure hope that is true.
trevorlsullivan
8h ago
side note, but have you guys tried using the AI feature in Xcode? its the biggest piece of trash i have ever used in my life. its unreal.
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