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Nov 24, 2025 at 1:18 PM EST

Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and it's costing the economy

randycupertino
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linuxhiker
9h ago
1 reply
Good.

This constant consumerism is destroying our world.

journal
9h ago
2 replies
Now we have to stop people from consuming cold turkey.
rkomorn
9h ago
You want people to quit cold turkey cold turkey?
OneMorePerson
8h ago
Aren't we all consuming just by being alive? It becomes consumerism when it's taken too far but I don't think any human being can ever stop consuming.
pjmlp
9h ago
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Welcome to the rest of the world where stuff usually only gets replaced when it breaks, becomes unusable or gets stolen.
nathanaldensr
8h ago
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My wife is Filipina. In the Philippines, there are specialists all over the place that keep things running long after they have any right to. That could be ancient computer parts, motorcycle engines, tires... If you can imagine it, they can repair it. Good luck finding that ethic here in the West! We're incredibly wasteful.
pjmlp
8h ago
I miss the 1980's repair shops in Portugal, although they seem to be having a comeback.

In Germany, repair cafés are quite common.

Group_B
9h ago
2 replies
This is simply a rage bait article. They know what they’re doing publishing this. We don’t need stuff like this on HN.
subarctic
9h ago
"Figure out an opinion that no one has that you could conceivably argue for that will piss off the most people"

I know some people that like to do this for their own entertainment in real life, i guess they could get a job writing for cnbc

antisthenes
8h ago
Agreed. Low-effort nothingburger article, nothing to see, move along.
graeme
9h ago
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The headline + intro is written to infuriate. If you respond to that and not the article you're taking the bait.

The main topic the article is talking about is a drag on business efficiency from a slower upgrade cycle and running workloads less efficiently on old equipment.

>Small businesses, in particular, lose valuable hours each year due to lagging systems, creating what economists call a ‘productivity drag,’” Benabess said. On a national scale, this translates to billions of dollars in lost output and reduced innovation. “While keeping devices longer may seem financially or environmentally responsible, the hidden cost is a quieter erosion of economic dynamism and competitiveness,” she added.

Of course it's on CNBC for writing the article this was. It likely never would have made it here without that spin however. State of the media environment.

nathanaldensr
9h ago
The problem is, it's never not been this way. That's why it's called an "upgrade treadmill." The treadmill never stops accelerating no matter how many times we redouble our efforts to catch up. New devices with higher processing power are inevitably filled with bloated apps that consume all that productivity. Without some kind of regulating force preventing app developers from being inefficient, this will never stop.
prngl
9h ago
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I always find it odd when media (and others) consider consumerism as somehow "helping" the economy. The economy is entirely about the collective activity of humans serving humans. Everything we make or do is really about prioritizing that activity over others. Why would it be advantageous to prioritize barely-distinguishable "new" devices over the myriad other things human labor and capital could be put to?
toomuchtodo
9h ago
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Their audience is the capital class. The top 10% hold 93% of US securities.
prngl
7h ago
Yes, I think you're right. Seems to reveal a fundamentally extractive, rather than value-generative, economic model.
z_
8h ago
1 reply
Please consume. For the economy.
toomuchtodo
8h ago
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Live
crtasm
8h ago
I went to the store but it was all out of bubblegum.
ch_123
8h ago
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> The average American now holds onto their smartphone for 29 months, according to a recent survey by Reviews.org, and that cycle is getting longer. The average was around 22 months in 2016.

As someone who makes enough money to buy a new phone every year if I wanted, I typically hold onto an iPhone for about 4 years. My experience is that this is about as long as it takes for enough new features to accumulate to make me excited about an upgrade. By the end of this 4 year period, my phones are in a sufficiently good state to be sold or passed on to a family member.

The idea that there's some sort of expectation that a typical person is expected to upgrade their phone every 2 years or so seems completely nuts to me.

GuestFAUniverse
8h ago
Indeed. That mode of the economy is totally flawed.
superkuh
9h ago
Newer hasn't been better for quite a while when it comes to computing devices.
randycupertino
9h ago
The article title actually calls this "device hoarding" which I find somewhat absurd. Using your devices until they die isn't "hoarding" it's being environmentally conscientious and financially prudent.
jmclnx
8h ago
Cell Phone, upgrading is a waste, I only will get a new Cell if my current one stops working of I am forced to due to it will be disabled due to a Cell Network change.

Laptops, PCs ? I am on 10 year old Laptop and that works just as good as any modern system. I do not use any Microsoft products so there is no need to upgrade. Plus, any new system will probably not work with my preferred OS for a couple of years, that means if I buy, I always buy used.

mcphage
7h ago
What does it mean to "cost the economy"? Is the economy owed some particular amount of money?
axus
9h ago
If the new devices didn't require subscriptions, ads, or cloud verification of manufacturer authenticity, we'd be more excited to buy them.
idiotsecant
8h ago
This article is wild - there are multiple references to how awesome the iphone 17 is and how it's convincing consumers to buy it, and some weird language that implies consumers are essentially immoral for keeping old devices. I'd almost say it's product placement for the new iphone revision, but I think it's just terrible writing.
JohnFen
7h ago
> The average American now holds onto their smartphone for 29 months, according to a recent survey by Reviews.org, and that cycle is getting longer. The average was around 22 months in 2016.

Damn. I don't think I've ever had a phone for less than 5 years before I was forced to replace it.

lousken
7h ago
I used my last phone for 7 years and now I want at least 10, why upgrade?
tybstar
9h ago
Oh no, not the economy.
Wistar
9h ago
My empirical observations conclude this is true in my little circle of the world. In our offices, we are using 2017–2019 era computers that are kept up and many of my friends, family and acquaintances are using iPhone 14 and older. I use an iPhone 12 mini because I love the mini form factor and treat the phone with care as I want it to last—hopefully until the next mini comes out which is likely forever, darn it.
Simulacra
7h ago
I used an iPhone 9 until Apple pushed so many apps to discontinue support, when the phone itself was perfectly fine. This whole article is insulting, and it has the undercurrent of apple's goal to make digital devices disposable.
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