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A graph explorer of the Epstein emails

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A graph explorer for the Epstein emails has been developed, allowing users to visualize connections and relationships between individuals and entities, sparking discussions on data analysis, visualization tools, and the implications of the revealed connections.

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wnevets
1d ago
1 reply
where is bubba?
analog31
1d ago
1 reply
Retired from public office.
trallnag
1d ago
2 replies
A horse retired from public office? What are you on?
deelowe
1d ago
2 replies
Bubba was allegedly a nickname for clinton.
wnevets
1d ago
The nickname itself isn't alleged, which particular bubba is tho.
JKCalhoun
1d ago
(Also allegedly the name of a horse Ghislaine Maxwell owned.)
DonHopkins
1d ago
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liotier
1d ago
5 replies
"Brad Edwards" and "Bradley Edwards" might be the same individual.
cyrusradfar
1d ago
1 reply
great use case for using AI to suggest mergers and clean up.
specproc
1d ago
1 reply
LLMs are awful for this. I've got a project that's doing structured extraction and half the work is deduplication.

I didn't go down the route of LLMs for the clean up, as you're getting into scale and context issues with larger datasets.

I got into semantic similarity networks for this use case. You can do efficient pairwise matching with Annoy, set a cutoff threshold, and your isolated subgraphs are merger candidates.

I wrapped up my code in a little library if you're into this sort of thing.

github.com/specialprocedures/semnet

mvATM99
1d ago
Nice looking library! Might try it for one of my own projects.
adolph
1d ago
1 reply
I read a recent observation that people subject to discovery are often making purposeful typos in key names in order for the communication to remain under the radar.
potato3732842
1d ago
Everyone is potentially subject to discovery. Some people are just more aware of it.
tovej
1d ago
Yes, the dataset also has three entries for Virginia Giuffre, "Virginia L. Giuffre", "Virginia Roberts Giuffre", and "Jane Doe Number 3 (Virginia Roberts)"
DrewADesign
1d ago
I’m sure some developer/archivist is working on a name authority as we speak.
GuinansEyebrows
1d ago
Likewise for instances of "Larry" and "Lawrence" Summers... probably a lot of those.
jrochkind1
1d ago
2 replies
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piyh
1d ago
1 reply
>A force-directed graph is a technique for visualizing networks where nodes are treated like physical objects with forces acting between them to create a stable arrangement. Attractive forces (like springs) pull connected nodes together, while repulsive forces (like electric charges) push all nodes apart, resulting in a layout where connected nodes are closer and unconnected nodes are more separated

https://observablehq.com/@d3/force-directed-graph/2

oskarkk
1d ago
I think it would be better and faster if the website calculated the positions of the nodes in the background (with a good enough limit of iterations), and then showed the result. Animating 4k nodes and 25k edges (15k by default) is a waste of CPU and is laggy even on my high-end CPU. But maybe the author was limited by the tools used.
alhadrad
1d ago
Its because the layout system has also a physics system.
ivape
1d ago
1 reply
I’m curious which LLM tools actually handled all 23k emails well.
zeld4
1d ago
ChrisMarshallNY
1d ago
1 reply
Oh Cthulhu, this is like a periscope into a septic tank...
bamboozled
1d ago
3 replies
Yes almost no one has been held accountable for any of it, "weird"?
Y_Y
1d ago
2 replies
What accountability would you suggest?
octoberfranklin
1d ago
1 reply
Prison?
gruez
1d ago
1 reply
We're going to send people to jail based purely on hearsay from Epstein or his affiliates?
wredcoll
1d ago
1 reply
What about... investigations...
gruez
1d ago
1 reply
If the evidence is strong enough, sure. But as much as I like a "the elites are pedophiles" witchhunt, given that the Biden administration sat on it, it's probably safe to conclude the evidence isn't great. The Trump administration is trying to get another wack at it, but given their recent history of investigations, it's probably safe to conclude that's purely politically motivated than some cold case that got cracked.
thrance
1d ago
The Biden administration sat on many thing, their total passiveness is no indication of anything. After all, they let the Jan 6 coup attempt go by with nothing but a strongly-worded speech that no one listened to. At this point, there is zero doubt remaining that Trump is indeed a pedophile and a rapist, just click on his node in TFA and read all we know about him. If that is not enough to get him actually convicted, then this country is truly and utterly fucked, and there's nothing to do but to wait for it to crumble under the weight of its own stupidity and corruption.
names_are_hard
1d ago
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rich_sasha
1d ago
2 replies
As "The Rest Is Politics" podcasts points out, the meagre consequences mostly came to Brits: Ghislaine Maxwell, Prince Andrew aka Andrew Mountbatten, and the former UK embassador to the US.

Americans..?

pjc50
1d ago
Mandelson will probably rise again. After all, he survived the (consequences of) the Iraq war. Note that he got the job without an interview: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cglg63n63wdo
scotty79
1d ago
Americans don't really do accountability all that much. People there who get to face the consequences are usually the ones that significantly harmed the financial interests of the very rich. Madoff, Holmes, Bankman. They operate more on a vengance than accountability system.
pjc50
1d ago
1 reply
Not really, given that anyone who might hold them accountable is also in the graph somewhere.

It is very funny that the "unaccountability shield" stops at the US border, though, so it's taken out Prince Andrew.

bamboozled
1d ago
1 reply
Shouldn't he be in jail? I wouldn't say it's taken him out ?
pjc50
1d ago
"Should", maybe, but given that the witness is dead no reasonable prospect of a conviction, regardless of the aggravating factors of it being hard to secure a conviction for someone famous, or for so long after the event. He's losing a lot of money and seems to be being cut off by his family, at least.
tony-john12
1d ago
1 reply
A graph explorer for the Epstein emails is a powerful tool to visualize connections and relationships. It makes complex information easier to understand and analyze.
sva_
1d ago
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theultdev
1d ago
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This is the best rendition I've seen so far.

The Bill Clinton entity is interesting.

> 2009: Bill Clinton discontinued association with Jeffrey Epstein

> 2010: Jeffrey Epstein provided flights on jets to Bill Clinton

> 2010-2011: Jeffrey Epstein traveled via private aircraft with Bill Clinton

> 2011: Ghislaine Maxwell piloted helicopter for Bill Clinton

> 2014: Bill Clinton alleged presence at sex parties

> 2015: Bill Clinton distanced relationship from Jeffrey Epstein

Guess there is precedent for him lying about sex though.

tinyplanets
1d ago
2 replies
I'd take a look at Trump. He's on a whole different level. Lots of rape and sexual abuse of minors... wow.
theultdev
1d ago
6 replies
Trump gave information against him in 2009 and unlike Bill did cut ties after learning he was poaching girls from Mar-a-Lago.

Nice whataboutism though. Feel free to reference source materials to support your claims.

Btw are you a bot or is that just a canned statement you use?

sanktanglia
1d ago
1 reply
Trump was with Epstein in 2017, he didn't cut ties at all
theultdev
1d ago
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That's a lie that has already been proven false since Trump's entire trip was documented.

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Based on the available evidence, there is no confirmed meeting between Trump and Epstein in 2017. While both men were in Palm Beach during Thanksgiving week 2017, there is no direct evidence they met.

Here's what we know about their presence in Palm Beach that week:

- Trump was at Mar-a-Lago from November 21-26, 2017

- Epstein owned a mansion in Palm Beach and was known to be in the area

- Epstein mentioned both Trump and himself being "down there" (Palm Beach) in an email exchange on November 23, 2017

While there were claims circulating online that Trump spent Thanksgiving with Epstein in 2017, these claims have been thoroughly investigated and found to be unsubstantiated

Trump's official calendar for that week shows his activities included:

- Thanking military members on a virtual call

- Visiting Coast Guard members at Lake Worth Inlet Station

- Playing golf with Tiger Woods and Dustin Johnson

culi
1d ago
3 replies
Even if Trump cut off ties with Epstein in 2017, he should clearly be held accountable for his past actions. Here's 2 pretty damning emails:

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Epstein to Maxwell 2011-04-02

> i want you to realize that that dog that hasn’t barked is trump... [VICTIM] spent hours at my house with him ,, he has never once been mentioned. police chief. etc. im 75% there

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Epstein to Ruemmler 2018-08-23

> you see, i know how dirty donald is. my guess is that non lawyers ny biz people have no idea. what it means to have your fixer flip

theultdev
1d ago
1 reply
You didn't read my post. They never met in 2017.

And those emails aren't damning at all. You have a pedo spouting off nonsense.

Epstein is not a moral figure you can trust, of course he was mad after Trump gave information against him in 2009.

The only thing you can trust is the correspondence between Epstein and other individuals. Not hearsay from him.

Anyone can gossip about someone, that is not evidence. Evidence is individuals being friendly with Epstein after knowing what he's done, going to his island, etc.

pohl
1d ago
2 replies
Could you explain how “no confirmed meeting” implies “they never met”?
theultdev
1d ago
1 reply
You think he snuck out from secret service and had an off-the-book thanksgiving with a pedo?
pohl
1d ago
With any other administration I would have granted you that leap in logic, but we already learned, three years ago, from Stephanie Grisham that he held off the books meetings specifically to circumvent record keeping laws. So I think a slightly higher standard of evidence is needed before we dismiss the possibility.
rayiner
1d ago
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rayiner
1d ago
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gruez
1d ago
>Here's 2 pretty damning emails:

The most "damning" emails are hearsay from other people?

phatfish
1d ago
1 reply
Thanks ChatGPT.
theultdev
1d ago
This entire thread is AI generated content from emails.

But we are human, so we can verify sources. Care to dispute anything?

protocolture
1d ago
1 reply
>Trump's official calendar for that week shows his activities included:

Damn, Trump would have 100% listed his sex crimes on his official calendar. Case closed.

theultdev
1d ago
1 reply
Yeah it's most likely he snuck out from the SS and had thanksgiving with a pedo. /s
protocolture
1d ago
Plenty of reason. Nab everyone. But deflecting criticism from the pedo in chief is a weird look.
timeon
1d ago
1 reply
> Trump gave information against Epstein in 2009

Does it matter? Like there are dozens of photographs of him, Epstein and underage girls.

rayiner
1d ago
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hiccuphippo
1d ago
2 replies
Well for one those other people are not the current president of the most powerful country in the world.

But sure, lock all of them up, just don't ignore a few because they are too powerful.

JumpCrisscross
1d ago
1 reply
It’s been wild to see people subsume not defending child rapists to their partisan identity.

I’m still convinced it’s a minority of loud voices online and on social media.

rayiner
1d ago
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ben_w
1d ago
1 reply
You're proving the point here.

You don't need to trust the media or care about his views on immigration to know that the guy got impeached twice, that he got 34 felony convictions, that he's lost lawsuits regarding sexual assault claims, and that sexual assault claims against him go back to the 70s and involving at least 28 women and him walking in on naked teenage pageant contestants.

The possibility of pee tapes was funny, but did anyone really care if golden shower was a liquid reference or a "24 carat (plated)" like his redecoration of the oval office?

rayiner
1d ago
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ben_w
1d ago
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> Show me where it’s a felony to use your own money to cover up an affair?

The "falsified business records" bit, for which he was convicted under felony charges. Those bits, where he was convicted as a felon, are what makes it a felony.

Likewise, it wasn't a crime for Bill Clinton to have an affair with any of the White House interns (AFAICT Paula Jones was before then), but then Clinton went and lied about affairs under oath, which was.

There's a reason why I put emphasis on "mere infidelity".

> My esteemed colleagues in the bar would be outraged if a legal theory half as aggressively creative as this one was brought against a gang murderer. They would leap at the chance to handle the appeals pro bono.

The fact he was convicted says otherwise on the first part, and the observation that he's still having trouble getting competent lawyers to defend him even now he's back in office speaks poorly of either your esteemed colleagues or of your estimation of them.

rayiner
1d ago
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JumpCrisscross
1d ago
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> what fundamentally differentiates people who simply don’t like Trump for all the legitimate reasons to dislike Trump from the people who go full blown Rachel Maddow is deep-seated liberal universalism

You should know this isn’t me.

I was honestly optimistic for this Presidency. The corruption and lawlessness were annoying. But the masked ICE agents openly defying the law struck a nerve. And now we’re seeing folks like Megyn Kelly advocate for dismissing child rape.

That Trump is acting guilty, and has taken this from a fringe conspiracy theory to something worth considering, is almost besides the point. My condemnation is of the partisan dismissal of the crime per se, not Trump’s involvement.

rayiner
1d ago
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JumpCrisscross
23h ago
> ICE agents are masked because people think they can violently interfere with federal law enforcement

Not a problem for legitimate law enforcement. The precedent being set--that masked men an disappear people from the street and people should accept that as okay--is incredibly dangerous.

> People voted for the guy that promised mass deportations, and the government is entitled to carry out that policy and respond to violent resistance to those operations

Sure. None of this requires a mask.

> Megyn is reacting to people trying to smear Trump as a “child rapist” and “pedophile” based on zero evidence

She argued Jeffrey Epstein is not technically a pedophile. (A defense she mounts with zero evidence.)

Until now, Trump's wing of the GOP establishment has been going out of its way to protect the likes of Larry Summers and others who, at the very least, showed extremely poor judgement in continuing to be friends with a child sex offender. People voted for Trump for his Epstein claims, too.

pjc50
1d ago
> Russiagate

A significant number of Trump associates actually went to jail for Russia-related business, and I don't think it's been entirely ruled out for himself. Of course, it has not yet been proven either and I doubt it will be in his lifetime.

theultdev
1d ago
2 replies
Sure. What evidence would you like to use to lock Trump up?

Point to an email or any evidence.

It's clear as day Trump cut ties and was against him. Not so much for others.

wredcoll
1d ago
1 reply
> cut ties after learning he was poaching girls from Mar-a-Lago.

This is, uh, not the slam dunk you seem to think it is.

rayiner
1d ago
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Zigurd
1d ago
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You swallowed "Trump cut ties" whole, on a thread discussing messages that prove that wasn't the case. Wow. If I'm never accused of dozens of depravities I'mma call you.
theultdev
1d ago
Point to the messages that prove that wasn't the case.

The 2017 Epstein email was him talking about Trump. Not to him.

rayiner
1d ago
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godelski
1d ago
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  > It's clear as day Trump cut ties when he found out who he was and was against him.
Really? I'm very much under the impression that Trump knew exactly who Epstein was.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45961278

rayiner
1d ago
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crystal_revenge
1d ago
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What I don't understand is the pretense of defending Trump at all. I mean, it's clear that even if you watched Trump assault a 13 year old with your own eyes, it wouldn't impact your support for him. Why pretend that there is some moral divide between Bill Clinton and Donald Trump in this when you can just say "I support Donald Trump no matter what, and despite Bill Clinton no matter what"?

Personally I've never been shocked that some of the most powerful people in the world like to go to a private sex-island where they could do as they pleased. That's precisely the incentive to becoming so incredibly powerful in the first place: to be able to pursue personal gain with increasingly less consequences.

rayiner
1d ago
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toyg
1d ago
Clinton at least has not been in office for 25 years. Trump is still in office. Surely the priority should be to get the bad people out of institutions asap...?
protocolture
1d ago
>Of course, deflect discussion to Trump

Interesting attempted deflection away from Trump.

bamboozled
1d ago
Seems to get away with it all, meanwhile, we all pay our taxes, don't break any laws and just be "good people".
beepbooptheory
1d ago
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This obviously the correct lens but note that the 2008 plea deal was so neutered by the time of settlement it made it somewhat easy to stay friends with him.

This is of course ontop of the 2006 Florida prostitution charge though.

theultdev
1d ago
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Especially when Epstein was paying off journalists at the NYT and intimidating other outlets.

But point being those people that were friends with him had to know. Whether it was socially acceptable by the elite because the public wasn't aware isn't very relevant.

pton_xd
1d ago
Larry Summers was emailing Epstein in 2018 - 2019 chatting about how to take advantage of a younger woman working with him.

In 2019! "Had to know" doesn't begin to capture it.

pton_xd
1d ago
Larry Summers was still emailing Epstein in 2018 - 2019 chatting about how to take advantage of a younger woman working with him.

In 2019!

octoberfranklin
1d ago
1 reply
> Wasn't very good at discontinuing the relationship it seems.

Keep in mind that those summaries are AI-generated. There's gonna be a lot of confabulating in there.

theultdev
1d ago
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Yes, but the the summaries generated are referenced with sources.

Care to dispute the summaries using the sources?

godelski
1d ago
1 reply
I read the gp as saying you should just check the sources, not defending.

I mean here's a weird example. Searching Donald Trump there's the headline

  (1994-06 Wexner Mansion NYC) 
  Donald Trump forced to perform oral sex and physically abused 13-year-old female plaintiff and 12-year-old female. 
Like that sounds weird... DT forced to rape? That doesn't make sense to me. The longer summary reads

  A declaration from Tiffany Doe (pseudonym) testifying that she witnessed Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump sexually abuse a 13-year-old girl and other minors during parties from 1990-2000 in New York City. 
It references House Oversight 025937. The actual document looks much more like that summary. Here's a snippet

  7. It was at these series of parties that I personally witnessed the Plaintiff being forced to perform various sexual acts with Donald J. Trump and Mr. Epstein. Both Mr. Trump and Mr. Epstein were advised that she was 13 years old.
It gets worse so if you want to look further it's Case 1:16-cv-04642 Document 1-2 Filed 06/20/16 Page 1 of 2.

So far the paragraph summaries seem to be accurate in my poking around but the headlines are mixing ordering and have other weird errors like this. Anyways, always good to check when things are as serious as this...

rayiner
1d ago
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godelski
1d ago
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Also note that

  13. I personally witnessed Mr. Epstein physically threaten the life and well-being of the Plaintiff if she ever revealed the details of the physical and sexual abuse she suffered at the hands of Mr. Epstein or any of his guests. 
  14. I personally witnessed Defendant Trump telling the Plaintiff that she shouldn't ever say anything if she didn't want to disappear like the 12-year-old female Maria, and that he was capable of having her whole family killed. 
  15. After leaving the employment of Mr. Epstein in the year 2000, I was personally threatened by Mr. Epstein that I would be killed and my family killed as well if I ever disclosed any of the physical and sexual abuse of minor females that I had personally witnessed by Mr. Epstein or any of his guests.
Doesn't make it true but this seems to be consistent across different accounts and serves as a possible explanation to your note as well as why so many people might have quiet for so long.
rayiner
1d ago
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godelski
20h ago
I think it is less about if he actually made any hits on people but rather that the threat existed. The question is not "has such threats been followed through" but "does the person being threatened have a reasonable belief that the threat is legitimate."

To that, I think the answer is an unambiguous "yes". If someone who is rich, well connected, and successfully covering up heinous crimes at a large scale, then yes, I believe a person threatened has a reasonable belief that such a threat is credible.

Seriously, we are talking about a world famous pedo who was pimping out girls to presidents, royals, billionaires, and when he was finally convicted he was only charged with prostitution and got a extremely light sentence that everyone now calls a "sweetheart deal." So years after does a witness have a credible belief that such a man can post a significant threat to her and her family?

Do you seriously believe that no person has any reason to fear Epstein? I find that laughable considering how much conspiracy there is about him being murdered and how the accusations are towards varying high profile people. You're trying to say that Epstein is a puppy dog that's all bark and no bite?

I agree, nothing is proven but it's absolutely laughable to claim that such a threat is not credible.

Why are you defending a pedo?

octoberfranklin
1d ago
Confabulators gonna confabulate.
anonnon
1d ago
1 reply
> The Bill Clinton entity is interesting.

Not really. After Epstein got convicted in 2008, he set about trying to rehabilitate his image, to be seen as a philanthropist, a patron of science, and (perversely) a supporter of women and girls. He hired reputation management consultants to help carry out the project, with one of the models they used being Mike Milken (of Drexel infamy). A lot of prominent people knowingly or not served as "useful idiots" in this project. For example, the MIT and Harvard scientists whose labs he help fund, and who visited his island for science-themed retreats. Clinton was probably another of Epstein's useful idiots, being lured in through his Clinton Global Initiative and the promise that Epstein, with his ample wealth, could help greatly expand it.

anonnon
1d ago
> For example, the MIT and Harvard scientists whose labs and research he funded, and who visited his island for science-themed retreats.

I should add that at least one of them, Marvin Minsky, was accused by name by the late Virginia Giuffre.

pickpuck
1d ago
10 replies
What if we extended this idea beyond one dataset to all discrete news events and entities: people, organizations, places.

Just like here you could get a timeline of key events, a graph of connected entities, links to original documents.

Newsrooms might already do this internally idk.

This code might work as a foundation. I love that it's RDF.

axus
1d ago
6 replies
One wonders what the US government agencies use.
PaulHoule
1d ago
1 reply
Isn’t that what Palantir’s product is?
sswaner
1d ago
Pretty much, at least at the semantic layer. https://publish.obsidian.md/followtheidea/Content/AI/Ontolog...
cjohnson318
1d ago
1 reply
They probably use Excel, maybe Microsoft Access.
ToucanLoucan
1d ago
Microsoft Access form that connects via IIS to an Excel spreadsheet acting as a database. Also the server it's running on is sitting on a wooden table.
fancy_pantser
1d ago
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arthurcolle
1d ago
Probably not particularly useful but GCHQ & NSA both have neat graph related repos

UK: https://github.com/gchq/Gaffer

US: https://github.com/NationalSecurityAgency/lemongraph

abnercoimbre
1d ago
I think you meant one shudders. And yeah, Snowden made it clear there's orders of magnitude more data than this graph explorer for them to sift through.
dboreham
1d ago
Internet search engines have their origins in government projects fwiw. They had search engines before Alta Vista, used for searching data sets that pre-date the internet, and some of the people involved in those went to work on the original commercial search engines.
VikingCoder
1d ago
1 reply
Sci-Fi Author: In my book I invented the Torment Nexus as a cautionary tale

Tech Company: At long last, we have created the Torment Nexus from classic sci-fi novel Don't Create The Torment Nexus

throwaway290
19h ago
...and of course it's in RDF!
jandrewrogers
1d ago
5 replies
This has been attempted many times. They all fail the same way.

These general data models start to become useful and interesting at around a trillion edges, give or take an order of magnitude. A mature graph model would be at least a few orders of magnitude larger, even if you aggressively curated what went into it. This is a simple consequence of the cardinality of the different kinds of entities that are included in most useful models.

No system described in open source can get anywhere close to even the base case of a trillion edges. They will suffer serious scaling and performance issues long before they get to that point. It is a famously non-trivial computer science problem and much of the serious R&D was not done in public historically.

This is why you only see toy or narrowly focused graph data models instead of a giant graph of All The Things. It would be cool to have something like this but that entails some hardcore deep tech R&D.

babelfish
1d ago
1 reply
I don't have any experience on graph modeling, but it seems like Neo4j should be able to support 1 trillion edges, based on this (admittedly marketing) post of theirs? https://neo4j.com/press-releases/neo4j-scales-trillion-plus-...
jandrewrogers
1d ago
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The graph database market has a deserved reputation for carefully crafting scaling claims that are so narrowly qualified as to be inapplicable to anything real. If you aren't deep into the tech you'll likely miss it in the press releases. It is an industry-wide problem, I'm not trying to single out Neo4j here.

Using this press release as an example, if you pay attention to the details you'll notice that this graph has an anomalously low degree. That is, the graph is very weakly connected, lots of nodes and barely any edges. Typical graph data models have much higher connectivity than this. For example, the classic Graph500 benchmark uses an average degree of 16 to measure scale-out performance.

So why did they nerf the graph connectivity? One of the most fundamental challenges in scaling graphs is optimally cutting them into shards. Unlike most data models, no matter how you cut up the graph some edges will always span multiple shards, which becomes a nasty consistency problem in scale-out systems. Scaling this becomes exponentially harder the more highly connected the graph. So basically, they defined away the problem that makes graphs difficult to scale. They used a graph so weakly connected that they could kinda sorta make it work on a thousand(!) machines even though it is not representative of most real-world graph data models.

babelfish
21h ago
Thanks for taking the time to respond! Inspired me to go read the Facebook TAO paper.
stevage
1d ago
2 replies
>These general data models start to become useful and interesting at around a trillion edges

That is a wild claim. Perhaps for some very specific definition of "useful and interesting"? This dataset is already interesting (hard to say whether it's useful) at a much tinier scale.

zozbot234
1d ago
This is not a "general purpose data model", though. A better example would be Wikidata which at about 100M nodes and 1B edges (so orders of magnitude less than that 1T claim) is already enabling plenty of useful queries about all sorts of publicly-available data and entities.
jandrewrogers
1d ago
It was a widely observed heuristic going back to the days when the Semantic Web was trendy. The underlying reason is also obvious once stated.

Almost every non-trivial graph data model about the world is a graph of human relationships in the population. If not directly then by proxy. Population scale human relationship graphs commonly pencil out at roughly 1T edges, a function of the population size. It is also typically the highest cardinality entity. Even the purpose isn’t a human relationship graph, they all tend to have one tacitly embedded with the scale implied.

If you restrict the set of human entities, you either end up with big holes in the graph or it is a graph that is not generally interesting (like one limited to company employees).

The OP was talking about generalizing this to a graph of people, places, events, and organizations, which always has this property.

theteapot
1d ago
1 reply
> It would be cool to have something like this ..

Aren't LLMs something like this?

djtango
1d ago
An LLM probabilistically produces tokens over its model which is why it can hallucinate whilst an actual graph model would not have that issue
michelpp
1d ago
There are open source projects moving toward this scale, the GraphBLAS for example uses an algebraic formulation over compressed sparse matrix representations for graphs that is designed to be portable across many architectures, including cuda. It would be nice if companies like nivida could get more behind our efforts, as our main bottleneck is development hardware access.

To plug my project, I've wrapped the SuiteSparse GraphBLAS library in a postgres extension [1] that fluidly blends algebraic graph theory with the relational model, the main flow is to use sql to structure complex queries for starting points, and then use the graphblas to flow through the graph to the endpoints, then joining back to tables to get the relevant metadata. On cheap hetzner hardware (amd epyc 64 core) we've achieved 7 billion edges per second BFS over the largest graphs in the suitesparse collection (~10B edges). With our cuda support we hope to push that kind of performance into graphs with trillions of edges.

[1] https://github.com/OneSparse/OneSparse

mmooss
1d ago
> It is a famously non-trivial computer science problem and much of the serious R&D was not done in public historically.

Could you point us to any public research on this issue? Or the history of the proprietary research? Just the names might help - maybe there are news articles, it's a section in someone's book, etc.

Centigonal
1d ago
2 replies
scotty79
1d ago
300 categories, 60 attributes ... Doesn't sound very high res.
pbronez
1d ago
Yup, this is a fantastic project and probably the most mature attempt at a global knowledge graph for contemporary news.
j-pb
1d ago
If it's RDF it won't work as the foundation.
johongo
1d ago
Emil Eifrem (founder of Neo4j) has a talk about them doing this with the Panama papers
afavour
1d ago
The New York Times has an API that lets you query “tags” or “topics” and the articles associated with them:

https://developer.nytimes.com/docs/semantic-api-product/1/ov...

The Guardian has similar:

https://open-platform.theguardian.com/documentation/tag

Either or both could be an interesting starting point for something like that.

pjc50
1d ago
Someone did one for (a small subset of) UK media. People were furious. https://brokenbottleboy.substack.com/p/mapped-out
ggm
1d ago
Given 6 degrees is rooted in reality, this means we can draw causal graphs from anyone (bad) to anyone (we don't like) and then invent specious reasons why it means "it's all connected, man"

That said, some networks of shorter paths than 6 are interesting. Right now, there's a 1:1 direct path from these documents to a bunch of people with an interest in confounding what evidentiary value they have in justice processes. That's more interesting to me, than what the documents say right now.

FanaHOVA
1d ago
One co trying: https://www.system.com
boogheta
1d ago
2 replies
It's a bit too bad that the network visualisation relies on d3: it is really slow with big networks, and the force directed algorithm is far from the best. Have you tried using JS libraries built specifically to visualise graph networks such as Sigma.js, Vivagraph or Cytoscape?
tootyskooty
1d ago
Shameless plug: if OP is looking to stay on d3, he could also try slotting in my C++/WASM versions[1] of the main d3 many-body forces. Not the best, but I've found >3x speedup using these for periplus.app :)

[^1]: https://www.npmjs.com/package/d3-manybody-wasm

marginalia_nu
1d ago
What do you have to run to use this thing?

I have a 4090 and 32 GB of RAM and this thing is chugging at like 2 FPS, with the UI being completely unresponsive.

bfkwlfkjf
1d ago
1 reply
Anybody else enjoying the fact that maga manufactured this outrage and now it's being turned against them?
Danjoe4
1d ago
2 replies
If you look at this graph and your prescient thought is "haha take that MAGA" then you are a brainwashed ideologue. This graph gives a window into the layers of rot in our political system. The complexity is perfectly represented by its form but it seems like your graph is just a big arrow that says "orange man bad".
pjc50
1d ago
1 reply
He is, and so are a very large number of people associated with him.

That is not an exhaustive list. But people who want things to improve should also shut down their ability to confect scandals or distractions, like the "Obama tan suit" controversy. Once Americans have a reasonable selection of non-insane non-compromised candidates, things may get better. The election of Mamdani is a good start in that direction, because all the other (D) candidates were horribly compromised.

dontlaugh
22h ago
Indeed, the actual controversy with Obama should’ve been all of the war crimes.
bfkwlfkjf
19h ago
Orange man bad.
Bender
1d ago
1 reply
[delayed]
nofriend
1d ago
2 replies
Given how strongly he was against it, this is pretty clearly a ploy. He could release them unilaterally if he hadn't just reopened the investigation which he himself shut down.
Bender
1d ago
1 reply
[delayed]
walls
1d ago
They were sealed at the time, and the admin was following the law.
wredcoll
1d ago
Famously he asked the fbi to redact his name.
Ms-J
1d ago
This is great work to show relationship and connections. The government gets scared from these types of efforts as there are many members who are extremely guilty of crimes related to this and others.

We need to expand on network mapping with data and areas as well.

yndoendo
1d ago
After seen this I interested in a map of each person to assist with knowing who they are, who they worked for during the email date, and who they currently work for.
perihelions
1d ago
I don't understand how the AI tools in the demo are used in practice, by people who understand them. Concretely: if I wanted to pick out coded euphemism language, such as "getting horizontal w peril", is it within the scope to enumerate all such occurrences or not? To decode the meaning of "peril" and put it in its correct interpretation context?

That seems to be the bulk of the high-effort part of the work. (That specific example is something Harvard Crimson journalists decoded—one of their professors harassing a student and gloating about it with Epstein[0]. That analysis doesn't look trivial).

[0] https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2025/11/17/summers-epstei...

Here's a concrete example I'm highly curious about: regarding the 2018 Helsinki Summit, Epstein wrote: "My email is full with similar comments. wow,". Can these tools find all of these for me? Better than naive string searches (which would be incomplete)?

linux_lorax
23h ago
If the Epstein story is viewed as a manufactured psyop (psychological operation) targeting the American public outside government circles, several key purposes and mechanisms can be inferred from analyses of the narrative's manipulation, conspiracy logic, and the societal response it has triggered:

### Purposes Behind a "Manufactured" Narrative

- *Distraction From Systemic Issues* The media spectacle around Epstein's crimes and network shifts public attention toward lurid details, celebrity involvement, and political intrigue, while potentially obscuring broader questions of elite accountability, institutional corruption, or failures in law enforcement and intelligence oversight. This phenomenon is typical in high-profile scandals: rather than fostering reform, they may act as pressure-release valves, venting public outrage in "safe" directions away from actionable reform or scrutiny of underlying systems.[1][2]

- *Polarization and Conspiratorial Thinking* The Epstein case has fueled intense binary narratives — "elites vs. the people," "deep state cover-up," and similar populist themes. QAnon, MAGA circles, and conspiracy-oriented media have recast Epstein as evidence of a secretive cabal undermining America, intentionally stoking distrust of government, media, and political adversaries. This fragmentation of public trust can benefit actors seeking to create division, distract from policy failures, or delegitimize political opponents.[3][1]

- *Reinforcement of Powerlessness and Fatalism* The widespread belief that Epstein's death was the result of elite conspiracy (i.e., "he knew too much," and "they'll never let the truth out") can breed social fatalism and apathy — the sense that ordinary citizens are powerless against entrenched interests, which can reduce civic engagement or demands for accountability.[2][1]

- *Information Warfare and Blackmail Speculation* Persistent rumors about espionage, blackmail, and covert intelligence operations surrounding Epstein (Israeli ties, spy theories, etc.) serve to keep the public focused on speculation, preventing consensus and muddying facts. This cacophony can be exploited by political or intelligence actors seeking to obscure real mechanisms of elite control or leverage.[4][5]

### Target Audience: American Public

- *General Population (Non-Government Workers)* The intended psychological effect is a mix of outrage, curiosity, and demoralization, wrapped in a sensation of being on the outside of elite secrets. The public is kept vigilant about "pedo networks" and government corruption but largely passive in meaningful action, with most energies channeled into online speculation and politically polarized media.[1][2][3]

### Patterns & Implications

- The Epstein narrative quickly became a "choose-your-own-adventure" for conspiracists, activists, and mainstream skeptics, reinforcing pre-existing suspicions and worldviews.[3][1] - The framing allows elites implicated by proximity to claim victimhood in a supposed media witch-hunt, while others use it to fuel anti-establishment politics.[2][3]

### Conclusion

Considering the story as a manufactured psyop, its chief functions seem to be distraction, polarization, and demoralization of the public, as well as muddying the waters of elite accountability, with the target audience being ordinary Americans outside the machinery of state and intelligence.[5][4][1][2][3]

[1](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/opinion/article/2025/07/20/the-eps...) [2](https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/16/opinion/epstein-trump-sca...) [3](https://www.newyorker.com/news/fault-lines/donald-trump-jeff...) [4](https://www.trtworld.com/article/16616743) [5](https://www.businessinsider.com/jeffrey-epstein-spy-epstein-...) [6](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Et4ujSsluA) [7](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/curious-sociopathy-o...) [8](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/11/23/us/document-e...) [9](https://therapynearme.com.au/mental-health-blog/f/psychoanal...) [10](https://www.vox.com/2018/12/3/18116351/jeffrey-epstein-case-...) [11](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/how-trump-spent-years-...) [12](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trove-newly-released-je...) [13](https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/05/14/jeffrey-ep...) [14](https://www.npr.org/2025/07/25/nx-s1-5478620/jeffrey-epstein...) [15](https://www.npr.org/2025/05/30/nx-s1-5407856/conspiracy-theo...) [16](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/new-records-detail-how-e...) [17](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp8j3e5g74no) [18](https://www.vpm.org/npr-news/npr-news/2025-05-30/how-conspir...) [19](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20r07dg6kro) [20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsykRb16QRU)

rapnie
1d ago
Oof, browser freeze, computer slowdown, then sudden crash reboot of my ubuntu dev machine, upon loading the graph in firefox.
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