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The cynical in me even wonders if this isn't by design in capitalism. If you're really busy all the time you won't be having ideas and be a better worker.
IMO everyone should read it once, alongside with 1984.
"Yet, I do not believe it is true that attention spans have changed significantly over the decades. People’s minds have always wandered. They have always struggled to focus. And most of them couldn’t bear to spend too much time with their own minds. The real world, outside the phone, is so glorified today. But consider this thing that happens in the real world. You’re at a party and someone comes up and says that inane but useful thing, “What’s up?” And even as you answer, he looks behind you for something more interesting, which is never there. This has happened for decades, and not just in conversations. In everything people did, they looked beyond to see if there was something more interesting, which they never found."
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"I don’t say there is no substance to the lament about modern attention spans. The fact that human attention was always fragile does not diminish the fact that the modern world has created extraordinary tools to facilitate distraction. A distraction is a kind of boredom that looks like entertainment, which saves you momentarily from another kind of boredom. Today, a slab of metal and glass at nearly everyone’s disposal captures the wandering mind and carries it far away, to some limbo. You could be working and reach for your phone, or an icon on your laptop, and suddenly ten minutes of your life are gone just like that."
https://manujoseph.substack.com/p/the-world-is-wrong-about-y...
Books don't do that, TV does that poorly if it does try.
Of course, that's nonsense. You are living your life to do whatever you want with it, and if that's spending a lot of time on social media, you just need to be OK with that (as in, it is a conscious choice, not an addiction).
This seems to be a tug of war- that is- information vs distraction
I remember in the 1990s India it was quite common to view kids from homes that had TV/Cable TV as kids who were bad at academics, and distracted without focus.
OTOH, as time passed people realised those kids had better english speaking skills, vocabulary and general awareness of the world. So extreme focus didn't quite work out as well as people though it would.
In the modern context I know quite a few people with laser sharp productivity and get lots of work done. But here's what 'wasting' time on Twitter has led me down rabbit holes in the Stock market that has opened up newer earning opportunities. So its not as simple as saying social media is distracting.
Extreme focus does work when your work is individually measured and judged. And the pay off is immense. Other wise you are better off doing something to keep the wheels spinning while finding more things that can be rewarding.
Here's a solution that worked magic for me for controlling it: use adblock origin or another plugin to block the video thumbnails from loading on the landing page.
Ever since I've done this I've felt so much more in control of my youtube consumption.
I land on the homepage, I click on each individual subscription that has new content and decide whether I want to watch it now or later and typically that's it.
Sometimes I'll go, I wonder if someone has done an interesting piece on the latest F1 news and specifically search for that.
But I use most of my free time writing software. I also tend to do that in "bursts."
Haven't looked at Facebook in many months. Never did Twitter/X. In fact, the only place I spend much time online, is ... here. Most of my karma is from comments, not submissions.
So I guess I don't get out much.
I literally don't out much [out of my house]. I would not, even if I had no MS and had no mobility issues.
I am being here, cozy, writing software. When I am not writing software, I just watch a movie, and then I write software again, and the cycle repeats.
It is bad for your health though, especially mine. We should at the very least do some exercises at home.
I bought a treadmill and do not allow myself to watch TV shows or movies I really enjoy without being on said treadmill. It makes me look forward to the exercise, and it allows me to "double up" the time spent by doing two things at once.
Bad stuff, but at least writing software is something that you can do.
Each morning, I get up at 5, and walk 5K. That helps (but lots of people I know, do a lot more).
I feel like this is, at least for me, a time problem. If I write software, then I have to neglect reading books; if I read books, I have to neglect writing software. Doing both seems not possible for me, so I have to do this in bursts.
So my reading is in bursts too now, on a plane, on a train, on a bus, on a ferry... in the hospital... You get the gist, in places where I'll be stuck for some time and need more than the usual "HN bite" for a few minutes every hour. And I adjust my reading speed and choice of book so I can actually finish withing the allotted time or else risk forgetting everything by the time I next have a slot. I read Daniel Suarez' Delta-v in ~5-6h because that's how long I had on the 2-way ferry ride.
My challenge with books vs. social media is that social media is like fast food but a book is like a gourmet meal. I can't read a book a few minutes at a time while on the toilet, or in public transport. Last time I did that I ended up in the middle of nowhere, 15min after we left the city, where the train stopped for a planned workers strike. But I can post a comment on HN just fine in 3 minutes and be done with it. So if the choice is 3h locked in somewhere with nothing but my mobile I'll choose to read. If I am at home with 1000 options, almost anything else will necessarily win.
The problem is the award delay. In Youtube, I get my "award" in 10 minutes max. Starting to enjoy a book requires 1-2 hours investment, and the award can be anything between 1 and 10 in a scale of 10 (while median being more like 7), and Youtube is 3-6 with a rare 9.
I read a lot of self-improvement books lately, or heard to be honest. They didn't help me start reading. Atomic Habits came close.
I have (diagnosed, yet untreated, because of side effects) ADHD though. So maybe not the typical experience. I also couldn't read much (or do any homework) as a child.
Currently trying to stop myself from starting with short videos.
You /s, but when I quit the internet completely, I did become a voracious reader of books. I also spent hours practicing piano.
Like you I also have diagnosed and untreated ADHD.
My jokes sound like reddit. I give HN reactions to new startup ideas. I review code like I'm in front of a large crowd from GitHub. I make meme references. I don't play games, I watch other people play -> less stress.
On the other hand, I want to read books! I want to practice the piano! (See, I bought this nice YAMAHA keyboard that's collecting dust).
I really want to swap out the YouTube part of more programming, but I find that I need at least an hour or so of quiet time before my brain sort of switches mode and can start enjoying it, so it's harder to get started on and disturbances quickly snowballs into not getting anything done.
Well, I've never been on "social media", but e.g. at night before bed some times I scroll on HN for a long time before falling asleep (30min-1hr). If I commit myself not to, I read instead.
The thing we should be talking about is forms of entertainment, and social media is just one type of entertainment. We should be discussing pros and cons of different forms of entertainment. Instead the discussion is "social media bad", which is a great starting point, but has the problem that gets us to avoid talking about the underlying mechanisms.
For example, one of the people responding here says "if I don't go on social media I go on youtube instead." If you try and think past "social media bad", what is actually going on?
Three novels in three months.
But if you want to have the (less interesting) conversation about definition, I don't call HN social media, because there's no media. It's just talking to other people.
You say
> or most people, it's the opposite - 90% of time chatting with people in the comments
Exactly! I didn't even read the article. I'm just here talking to people. So I don't call it social media for the same reason that I don't call whatsapp social media. It's just social.
> If you or I use HN for 30-60 minutes everyday and we find utility in that, there's no difference to a teenager using TikTok for the same time, we don't get to feel superior or talk about social media addiction without being aware that includes us.
No, I do feel superior: I'm being challenged, and I'm having to articulate my ideas and points of view.
When you're on tv/tiktok/instagram/youtube you're consuming something that's been prepared for you. Whether the content is informative or well produced is irrelevant to my point.
Totally different when it comes to how much critical thinking you need to exercise for those two activities.
Video Games > Social Media > YouTube > TV > Reading
I had to cut quite a few things out of my life before I defaulted to books, because all of the prior activities tapped into my brains inherent desire for stimulating, low effort consumption. Reading is quite often hard, boring, or difficult, but generally more rewarding in the end. I retain more useful information, explicitly because it is more difficult and my brain denotes it a higher reward value.
That's a choice. I avoid books which are exclusively about entertainment. I always aim for value + entertainment.
Absolutely yes on the ebook reader. Also, get one that you can use without internet so they're not spying on your and deleting your books. I got a pocketbook. Small, cheap, doesn't need internet. And yes, _actual_ e-ink, otherwise you're just playing on an ipad. But one thing I love about my pocketbook is that it has a backlight which you can set it to very low, plus enable dark mode, and I can read it in complete darkness which with a physical book you can't.
People have a book fetish because they imagine books are necessarily better quality, but it is actually rarely the case. Reading valuable books is hard, takes time, effort, and concentration, and is out of the means of most people.
And that's just about all there is to it. Stuff that would have been books previously, now are just long articles because the commercial incentives have changed (just like music albums have disappeared). It's not a bad thing in my book!
Who asks such twisted questions anyway?
For example my SO spends hours on end on Facebook. Depending on whether you consider it social media I sometimes sink a lot of time (think hours) on YouTube. And that's time we're not spending on reading.
In light of this the question doesn't seem as twisted.
(* Less happy to say it's mostly because I've been cripplingly depressed but hey, reading is reading)
I juts counted, 44 books so far this year, with lots of variation. Not
I can not say much about quitting the social media, as I never really started. Just HN, and some youtube (always start on my subscription page, only some late nights do I look at the main page with its algo suggestions). The occasional computer game (from doom to chess). Some hobby coding (retired couple of years ago), music, and yes, lots of reading.
So the difference, to me anyway, is the heavy use of archaic and naval terms in the Aubrey-Maturin series. As I went through them they got easier, and I'd certainly find them more lightweight now, but still.
The Silmarillion is hard in a different way - sort of like George Martin and ASoIaF, it's rather long-winded and name-heavy, so it can be hard to follow, even for avid Tolkien fans.
Still, Tolkien has a style of writing that I just love. No other author I've read manages to capture the feeling that you're really reading a myth or a legend, and not "just" a story.
More British old-timey adventuring, though without so many ships.
If you want an antihero-rake and a tale told tongue firmly in cheek, see if the Flashman novels by Fraser are to your liking. Fraser takes a rich school-bully character from a more wholesome series of books and imagines his military & adventuring career in adulthood.
For some reason, I read more often and am more motivated when I can switch between books. When I tried to focus on just one, I always got the feeling that I sort of have to read it and that turned me off.
Another issue is that I read very slowly and think a lot when reading books, but that's apparently just how my brain works.
People are often surprised - "You're reading three books at once?! How do you keep track?". I normally point out that they're probably watching 5 different TV shows right now and they have no problem with that. It's not really different.
The blind hate towards social media is absolutely ridiculous.
Conversation is also important. I say this as an extreme introvert (to the point that currently I have no friends and have unilaterally broken all friendships through all my life).
Public third spaces are necessary for that purpose, and I think every community needs more of those. I know in the case of America the infrastructure is car centric, and it would be difficult, but it's a great opportunity to create jobs. Creating an infrastructure that favors walking, and puts libraries with parks near them in strategic locations, so that people can read for free, but also have open public conversations without the need of having an adversary.
About social media, I think it's not good when it's used to flaunt your vanity, but as a tool to share ideas it's good. I also think the bit/dualist action of like and dislike is what divides people, causing ideas that follow the narrative to stay at the top and ideas.
Reddit for example tries to fix this putting random comments at the top sometimes, but they can be of bad quality causing them to be ignored and people always get attracted to the comment with the bigger upvote number.
In short, let's converse in person, face to face, with an open mind, using words not to hurt, but to talk about our problems and find a solution together, leaving aside our ideologies. A conversation from the ground up.
That doesn't go away just because you cut out one potential source of cheap calories. It gets better by first cutting out the source of drainage, which can be very personal. Too many disruptions and pointless interactions in your workday, long commutes, etc.
So I would first try to eliminate some of those, don't fry your brain completely towards the end of the day, and then read. It's much easier with a fresher brain.
It's also possible to read early in the morning, when you're not drained (assuming you still get enough sleep).
I'm about 1 book every other month. And half I don't even like. I often return books after reading a couple of chapters.
FWIW, currently reading: a) "Founder vs. Investor" (2023) and finding it interesting enough; b) next I will try again to read "The Causal Angel" after I left it mid-way; c) or I'll re-read a Borges collection again.
And I take holidays deliberately to "unplug" and read. I go somewhere quiet and scenic, no computer - just a book (or several). I do take a tablet, but its basically only got a book and comic/manga reading app on it.
But if you can "quit and stay dry", then it's extremely likely that you'll end up happier/healthier/saner, long-term.
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