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tzury

12 days ago

1 reply

Check out this:

https://bellard.org/jslinux/vm.html?url=alpine-x86.cfg&mem=1...

and

https://bellard.org/jslinux/

By the famous Fabrice Bellard who is the creator of QuickJS, QEMU, FFMPEG and many other brilliant and fascinating tools!

https://bellard.org/

mod50ack

11 days ago

These things are essentially the opposite of one another. Bellard's project is a PC emulator in JavaScript. Compiling things to wasm is pretty trivial now, but jslinux was much more impressive when it came out. It actually still is, for reasons you can see in the technical notes: https://bellard.org/jslinux/tech.html

This project, on the other hand, is the opposite (and kind of a joke): a set of Linux utilities mostly written in JavaScript.

supermdguy

12 days ago

3 replies

Reading the code, I was surprised to see that cd was implemented by calling out to the os library. I assumed that was something the shell or at least userspace handled. At what level does the concept of a “current directory” exist?

semiquaver

12 days ago

1 reply

Unix defines a Working Directory that every process has, changed with chdir(2): https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/chdir.2.html

mort96

11 days ago

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This doesn't technically answer the question: POSIX doesn't concern itself with the kernel interface, only with the libc. Most POSIX systems have a kernel with a syscall interface that mirrors the libc API so that these libc functions are just syscall wrappers, but nothing technically prevents the current working directory to be a purely userspace concept maintained by the libc where all relative paths passed to filesystem functions are translated into absolute paths by the libc function before being passed to the kernel via syscall.

mort96

11 days ago

WTF, why is this getting downvoted? I'm pointing out that you can't look at POSIX and conclude that the kernel has a concept of a CWD because POSIX doesn't concern itself with the kernel syscall interface. This is objectively correct.

mort96

11 days ago

Is this getting downvoted only because I referred to POSIX rather than UNIX? I'm more familiar with POSIX, but I'm 99% sure the UNIX standard also doesn't say anything about the kernel interface...

creatonez

12 days ago

1 reply

It's at the kernel level. Each process has its own current working directory. On Linux, these CWD values are exposed at `/proc/[...]/cwd`. This value affects the resolution of relative paths in filesystem operations at a syscall level.

hnlmorg

11 days ago

3 replies

It’s also generally a shell builtin. Though you do find an executable called cd too for compatibility reasons.

creatonez

11 days ago

1 reply

Wait, how did the `cd` executable used to work in old Unix? Did it instruct the kernel to reassign the CWD of the parent process?

hnlmorg

10 days ago

The original UNIX shell (Thompson Shell) had chdir as a builtin, so I’d wager it’s always been a builtin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thompson_shell

jasomill

11 days ago

Interesting. I've been using Unix systems for 30 years and never noticed this.

On my Fedora system, /usr/bin/cd is just a shell script that invokes the shell builtin:

  #!/usr/bin/sh
  builtin cd "$@"

I suppose it could be useful for testing whether a directory exists with search permissions for the current user safely in a multithreaded program that relies on the current directory remaining constant.

mattstir

11 days ago

Yeah, it's typically a shell built-in since you'd want cd to change the cwd for the shell process itself. Child processes (like commands being executed in the shell) can inherit the parent shell's cwd but AFAIK the opposite isn't true.

lukeh

12 days ago

In the kernel’s process structure. See NOTES - https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/chdir.2.html

pointlessone

12 days ago

1 reply

We’re roughly on schedule. https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/the-birth-and-death...

icpmoles

11 days ago

Slightly late according to other predictions

https://xkcd.com/1508/

mos87

12 days ago

1 reply

A very timely endeavor indeed https://devblogs.microsoft.com/typescript/typescript-native-...

IshKebab

11 days ago

That's about the Typescript compiler performance, not runtime. And this project doesn't even use Typescript does it?

zsoltkacsandi

11 days ago

1 reply

> tiny project for building a tiny Linux distribution

I am working something similar in Go, and writing an educative blog post series about it: https://serversfor.dev/linux-inside-out/

lioeters

11 days ago

I'm enjoying the articles! I went through the exercise and it was my first time running my own executable on PID 1. That was fun and educational.

anthk

11 days ago

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I remember some core Unix utilities reimplemented in Perl, mainly done for Win32 systems back in the day. OFC the performance coudn't compete with the ones written in C, but it was good enough.

stevekemp

11 days ago

You're thinking of the Perl Power Tools:

https://github.com/briandfoy/PerlPowerTools

I guess there are related projects such as busybox which contain a collection of utilities implemented in a single binary. There are others such as toybox, and various alternatives in different languages, or with different licenses to choose from.

kalterdev

12 days ago

It’s never early to prepare for JavaScript complete takeover.

rkeene2

12 days ago

I did something similar with TCL, the basis was using an extension I wrote to handle the UNIX stuff [0]. It operated an On-Premises cloud environment appliance, and `init` was just a TCL script (at one point it was a statically linked binary with the init script embedded, but that turned out to be overkill)

[0] https://chiselapp.com/user/rkeene/repository/tuapi/doc/trunk...

darkreader

11 days ago

strange motivation and implementation. I mean it real. There are many existing open source projects that run Linux on JS.

MobiusHorizons

12 days ago

Very cool. Good use of quickjs, although it would have been cool if it somehow didn’t need a libc and just used the syscall interface. Makes me want to give that a try.

nxobject

12 days ago

Kernighan and Ritchie wept. (Tears of joy at an awesome hack, or tears of sadness at an awesome hack?)

andai

11 days ago

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