Product Launch
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Jmail
jmail.worldlaunchedweb_appconsumers
Key Features
email serviceapp suite
emailconversion_rate_optimizationnews
Key Features
- JPhotos: https://www.jmail.world/photos
- JDrive: https://www.jmail.world/drive
- JAmazon: https://www.jmail.world/jamazon
Hopefully I can merge some UI for it soon, but I'm away from my main computer right now.
I'm one of the co-creators of Jmail alongside Riley Walz. We launched a Gmail-like view of Epstein's inbox last month. It got millions of page views, tons of really amazing requests to collaborate on making more related data accessible, and even new Yahoo emails that no one else has allowed the public to see.
Yesterday's DOJ drop resulted in this very spontaneous rag-tag team of friends coming to my place in SF and each making their own app in the "Jmail" Suite. Riley and I are pretty shocked by how versatile this parody style is for visualizing Epstein's 20 year digital footprint.
It's been a ton of fun and we're working hard to polish each view here.
i can say that 90% of the work was in making sense of the data, indexing, processing, etc
I sent an email to the hn email with more details!
Also since that post we worked with Drop Site News + DDoSecrets to post new Yahoo emails that no one has let the public see yet.
On the other hand, it's way more information than I expected. I can see why someone would hesitate to release them - there's a lot to sift through and it's likely even the government couldn't sift through all of them to make sure their friends weren't mentioned somewhere.
The House Oversight Committee's giant drop in November had tons of data we still didn't take advantage of even after doing the original Jmail, like flight logs.
For the Yahoo release, which is still ongoing, the folks at Drop Site News (see https://www.jmail.world/about) are handling the manual redaction which has been very time consuming, even with tons of AI to help in the background.
For now we’re focusing on fixing the bugs because we’re already seeing an insane wave of traffic so most of us are focused on keeping the site alive.
We did an initial parsing pass of all four DOJ document batches on Friday. This takes a raw PDF and returns chunks containing typed blocks—each with a type (Title, Text, Figure, etc.), bounding boxes, content, and confidence scores. For PDFs that were just scans of photographs (which was like 90% of new content in Friday's release), it gave in depth descriptions of those! You can type search terms like "door" at https://www.jmail.world/photos to see what I mean.
For apps like Jmail and JFlights we use their structured extraction endpoint instead—you define a schema (e.g. {from, to, subject, date, body} for emails or {departure_airport, arrival_airport, passengers[], date} for flights) and it pulls those fields directly into JSON.
The JFlights example served as the best ad for Reducto and how doc parsing technology can speed up hours of journalistic investigations like this.
See for yourself. Given this document
https://www.jmail.world/drive/HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_002031
It inferred an entire flight card on JFlights (https://www.jmail.world/flights). I was really shook when I first saw this.
Images removed from Epstein files less than a day after being posted - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-12-21/images-removed-from-e...
promises all the sleuthing excitement of chasing the significance of Donald in a Drawer.
https://www.imdb.com/news/ni65628031/
https://bsky.app/profile/meidastouch.com/post/3mag7myutmc2d
however it seems that this photo is actually taken from a 2003 Democratic fundraiser, and the redacted images of victims were of Diana Ross' son Evan, and Michael Jackson's kids, Paris and Prince Jackson. This may or may not be accurate either, since I have not been able to dig down into the photo and determine if it has any connections to a supposed 2003 fundraiser.
But it seems more likely to be true than not that this was sloppily planted evidence that was especially insultingly fake.
Similarly situation with Trump, for that matter.
All the evidence I've seen is person A knew or spoke to Epstein. Where is the evidence linking any person to a specific sexual encounter?
They were supposed to redact all minors, not just "victims".
And no, not Epstein. It's a general statement; but it's disappointing that they're like this (and of course Gemini was famously the one that gave black Nazis and things like that)
Of course, she'll have hanged herself shortly afterward while the security cameras were malfunctioning.
An alternative would be to strip out all obvious known words and only leave unknowns (i.e., names) and then have those fragments reviewed (in a reCAPTCHA sorta way).
Finally, for images, cover all faces and the one by one decide which should remain covered and which should not.
LOTS of work but there are workflows to mitigate the ability for reviewers to connect more than they should.
At the risk of stating the obvious, the functionality isn't actually cloned, only the UI. The actual code powering Gmail probably dates back to the late 80s or early 90s and has had millions of hours put into it. This is just a webpage that looks kind of similar.
I point this out only because anyone thinking that software businesses don't have moats anymore because of this is taking away the wrong lesson.
I mean it has happened in other Google products...
They bought both Deja and Neotonic.
Email as a technology is ancient by today’s standards. SMTP protocol got established in 1982. Even sendmail dates as far back as the ‘70s.
Another great article
And this is exactly why I stopped participating in discussions on reddit and never on LinkedIn. Discussions on HN are so much civil and respectful here
P.S. if the top level comment was indeed posted by a "less technically inclined" person, I hope this is a humbling, positive educational experience, at least that's how I would take it
In one day, I created an Android app in Kotlin (never wrote a single line in Kotlin) that is completely tailored to my son,he's a toddler of almost 3.
It has a start screen with games that relate to events in his life we experienced together like feeding the dog (throw bones to a dog that looks enough like ours so he understands), a whack-a-mole game where gnomes appear on red with white-dot mushrooms (he discovered them in a nearby forest) and of course things like firefighting, police,excavator. Because it's so easy I've now left him with 50 mini games (yes, feature creep like behavior). Some are educational (learning colors, counting but toddler difficulty) or fun to do, like magic paint that shows colored particles as a trail following his finger or adding color to random shapes.
TTS encourages him, saying his name, telling him he did well when he completes a game.He gets random videos of family members cheering when reaching a set score. Videos made with the photo to video feature of Grok. I had 10 mini-games on day one, now 50 after a week or so, but entire supervision time is about 4 hours and all from the browser of my mobile phone (and lots in bed, and at night in case Claude reset its limits then). I decided to get the Max 20x plan, and prompting 4 projects with each 2 to 3 running 'conversations' , never hit the limit anymore.
Can you expand on this please? Really cool btw.
The UI cloning doesn't feel exactly correct either there are things that are slightly off.
But I just find the "cloned" wrong, because obviously you cannot send an email from this account, you cannot log in to the service as Jeffrey Epstein, you cannot delete emails, create alerts based on searches, do actions on selected emails (create new tag, move under that tag)
there are so many functionalities that are not cloned because obviously they could not be cloned because they would make no sense for what this project is. So just the praise for cloning so quickly makes me sort of mad.
You could theoretically make something like this that allowed log in so you got a personalized epstein mails, and then could do all that, and perhaps get more mails sent in as files get released, and perhaps create Google alerts on epstein in the news etc. that would come as mails and maybe the code could put news that came in, into the appropriate the tags etc.
But until that time "cloned" is just very wrong.
- Fetching email messages
- Parsing email headers
- Mime parsing
- Converting the text of email bodies into UTF-8
- Threading messages
- Eliding reply text
Given that the official story is that pb made the first version of Gmail in a day, does anyone actually believe that he wrote the code for any of those things in a day? If you honestly believe that I have a bridge to sell you.
no. google did not exist until the late 90s.
various forms of internet email sure did, but most popular mtas of the google era shared very little code with predecessors from the 80s and early 90s (maybe sendmail) and google almost certainly wrote their own from scratch.
but your first point. that an archive browser that looks like gmail is not equivalent to a full tilt email service backend is valid.
My own take: I don't think a lot of those "girls" were victims. Virginia Giuffre certainly wasn't a victim--she knew exactly what she was doing and could have walked away at any time! She liked getting close to wealthy, powerful men. She wanted to marry one. After that didn't work out, Virginia cashed in later when the time was ripe (e.g. the "Get Trump" era where they needed a lot of women to come forward and accuse famous people of sex crimes so that they could normalize the attack on the main target: Trump).
It is unclear whether there were a lot of truly underage, actual trafficking victims. I saw only one mention of it in some of the news clippings from the original legal case against Epstein and I don't know if he was ever charged with that at all. Basically, Maxwell recruited 17, 18, 19 year old masseuse/stripper/model types, the kind that are now selling themselves on OnlyFans, Chaturbate, etc. Bear in mind, 17 is only illegal in the US. Nasty, but I guess that was the reason for the island? Probably there is no lower age bound on the high seas or on a sovereign island or whatever legal fiction was created there.
I'm not saying I agree with any of it and I certainly don't advocate it. What I am saying is that women make bad choices for money or access and later regret it. Then they go crying rape or running to lawyers to sue the deepest pockets. It's pretty disgusting and in a more civilized society, it would be dealt with far differently. I see it as a sign of our civilizational collapse, quite frankly.
But besides that, you're saying he ran a blackmail operation, which seems likely. If the girls he pimped out were of legal age, that's a lot less leverage to blackmail his targets with, isn't it?
Yes, especially when those women are also children. One of the many reasons it's illegal to have sex with them and especially illegal to rent their bodies to your friends.
Jared kushner, is that you?
I would bet the Gmail team has single employee salaries in that range.
You're welcome, of course, to make your substantive points thoughtfully.
Probably a lot of CSAM, if the Mossad blackmail op theory of Epstein is true.
The cynic in me would assume that someone with a lot of money wants to hide some of the emails and the best way to do that (at this point) is to release them filtered with a great UI.
How could you tell?
if only there were some kind of universal summary engine that never gets tired and is essentially free.
A job for an LLM…
"What is this?
We compiled these Epstein estate emails from the House Oversight release by converting the PDFs to structured text with an LLM."
but they just copy the "UI" not the whole product
read rest of the thread with more context on why
Nice using self-emails as a knowledge base.
It doesn't belong into the Epstein Files, and doesn't need to be censored either, but the way it is framed in the DoJ release implies guilt where there is none.
That being said, I think we can demand a level of due diligence from public institutions that entails only censoring actual victims on actual pieces of evidence, instead of mindlessly placing black squares on the faces of news article pictures found on his computer. Nevermind that nobody can explain yet how this particular picture ended up in the grand jury files anyway.
who planted them?
Here's at least one notable image.
1. DOJ (The White House's docs that they were required by law to drop yesterday plus many court documents, videos, and other docs from many news cycles this year)
2. HOUSE_OVERSIGHT (the House Oversight Committee's releases. giant November drop that led to the original Jmail, then some photo drops this month)
3. Yahoo emails (originally sourced by DDoSecrets, then provided to us, redacted and verified by Drop Site News)
There is so much material in HOUSE_OVERSIGHT that never appears in DOJ, and vice versa. And then the Yahoo drop reveals even more new material. It feels like three odd slices of a giant dataset that keeps getting released.
re: people's complaints about yesterday's release having way too many redactions, I have no idea how much they over-redacted. I hear that they will release even more quite soon though.
Please AMA!
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