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Similarly for a mom-and-pop bakery (contrived example) hosting a website for $60/mo, going down to $20/mo (just to keep the 1/3 ratio) also is probably not worth it.
But some of our customers are not like that. For example a hedge fund we have been working with needs 512G RAM and 256 vCPUs for a mortgage model. The data size is not too big and once they get their results they rip it back to on-prem. The complexity is low, ie they just ssh in and do their models. Often they let them run over the weekend.
And these guys are very price-sensitive. In their industry, saving money means more carry for partners and bigger bonuses for quants. These guys are counting nickels.
So I think you're totally right for the large part of the market that we're not really for, and we're not really competing for those types of customers. But we're not really providing much managed service, we're providing a commodity that, assuming you don't need the high-complexity ecosystem surrounding it, can be very nice for customers who are price-sensitive.
We're really excited for the AMD EPYC Venice — 256 physical cores each -> 512 vCPUs -> 1024 vCPUS on a single board with dual-socket. It will probably be about $40k per machine with these RAM prices but we're definitely going to buy a few. A full data center on a single motherboard!
So we're limited on capacity since we own all our own hardware. Please do not use us for auto-scaling just yet. Our software would have no issue with us linking up other cloud machines such as AWS EC2 to our fleet and offering it there, which could help with auto-scaling, but we would not make any money on that and it would be a lot of engineering effort for us right now.
Of course you’re not in AWS, forget about all the managed services, but we’re talking about 95%~98% cheaper egress costs, with 20TB included in most machines.
Also I'm seeing that the most they can go RAM-wise for a dedicated US location is 192G. We go to 512 and will soon go beyond. I'm sure they'll get there soon but that's a consideration as well.
Curious if you are having to buy bandwidth as well. Some of the Midwest data centers include over 30TB of bandwidth in the rack rentals.
And if you are willing to go into the details curious how you are handling bare metal provisioning. MaaS or home grown tooling? Or are you just installing proxmox by hand?
100Mbps is 33TB / mo. 1Gbps is 330 TB / mo. I'm curious what they have and how they prevent saturation from a client or they just pass on networks managed by the DC.
$950.00/month for 100TB @ 1Gbps
20A @ 208V
61 Usable IPv4 or free BGP
And half rack is $650 / mo for 30TB @ 1Gbps (so basically the full month at 1/10th full pipe).
i.e. you don't have redundancy? A gigabit is nothing these days sadly. You can get a surge in traffic (DDoS or not) and be stuck quite quickly. You always need extra capacity to deal with issues unforeseen and that adds to the cost.
They are probably reselling from hetzner/vultr
Which actually isn't that far. But I don't think they could fake it if they say the servers are in NC.
For the rest of our provisioning (VM and container) I wrote the software myself. It's based on a Django app called the "master" that hosts the console and keeps track of who has rented what etc + a bunch of "host" nodes that listen for instructions from the "master". Pure python, the only thing that's in Go is the CLI.
I looked into Proxmox but ultimately decided I wanted full control. ZFS storage from Proxmox is something I do sometimes wish we had — going to offer s3-compatible storage very soon but I know Proxmox does ZFS out of the box really well.
i think the trick is to not attempt to render at each frame (that is, don't try to provide something similar to a game engine). just render it based on user input, like the page I linked
Check out our console at console.carolinacloud.io or our API spec at api.carolinacloud.io/api/ which does not have a shader to speak of. You can browse everything without an account, and you can use a $1 free trial (I know, very low, it used to be $250 but we had a lot of Russian crypto miners swarm the platform + dispute charges so we had no choice).
If you email me derek@carolinacloud.io I will happily bump your free credits to something much more reasonable for your workloads.
If it is possible/easy, please indicate in a reply to me, and we can update the title and post.
Of course it’s still fine to be on the front page of HN if the community finds it interesting. But Show HN is meant to be about showcasing an interesting project you’ve built (with a focus on technology discovery) rather than announcing a product people can buy.
> Charlotte, NC
> bojangleslover
Username checks out!
Seriously though, this looks really cool. And I'm always happy to see other NC folks representing on HN.
I could see using your service for some stuff, so who knows, we may be sending some business your way. It wouldn't be much (for now), but hey...
People on HN are obviously legit users so anyone reading this please email me at derek at carolinacloud.io and we will give you $250 free credits at least or maybe more if your workload requires it!
Not that offer s3-compatible object storage (which I guess is on the roadmap) and Turin VPS. These prices are legit and I'm not pulling the trigger yet but I'm definitely interested.
Someone on lowendtalk recently created a very minimalist php s3 thing too if you only need the basic crud app but I would recommend you to select garage from what I've heard
I have also heard someone creating a new rust s3 application but I forgot its name but maybe you can look out for it too and see what fits the best for your goal.
Also coolify team is maintaining a docker image of MinIO but that was before they said that minio is going closed source and that they had just stopped providing docker images so I am not sure how valid it is right now. There must be forks who are maintaining Minio too so you can look at it too.
I was interested in building my own cloud (which had a specific niche) and the biggest issues which happened for me personally were that most companies had the issues that if you wanted to create your own cloud on top of, you were responsible for the abuse from your clients and they can shutdown your account if threats persisted/It wasn't really clear for many companies so I was always somewhat worried about it, so I am curious as to how you are dealing with it or what your thoughts are on this matter.
That problem can NEVER be avoided at any level unless you run absolutely everything (which is almost impossible).
What everyone does is have a system to quickly pass on and also shutdown who's 1 layer down. You receive a report and deal with the client.
> I was interested in building my own cloud
At the end of the day the problem has nothing to do with clouds. It happens everywhere e.g. if you rented out a house and someone did something illegal with it... how do you avoid it? All the same.
So you didn’t own everything. Google owned the IPs and network.
It’s the same colocating in that your network providers can be shut down.
Even if you do there's still more to it e.g. blacklists of different kinds e.g. known proxies, spam listings, etc that would still mean you need to kick out your client.
Then there's the bad clients you need to deal with e.g. if they send DoS from your network. Even if you don't get a report it will eat up your limited resources and you may be subject to revenges and bring down your infrastructure.
Conclusion: there's lots to it but so does every business. That's just life.
This is why honestly I had been talking to more indie cloud providers and realized the whole space of low-endtalk and I think that a good compromise to the whole situation is as if I can rent servers but they can realize that at the end of the day, I am an indie solution myself and this is something which in my opinion is only possible with either large but specific cloud providers (fwiw upcloud although they blocked my account because I hadnt added card details or similar supports it and mostly small cloud providers support it)
also, if you get your own IP ranges then the provider won't care much about e.g. your clients scanning the internet / running malware
Another topic is DDoS to your clients which can exhaust the uplink bandwidth... Don't know much of it
My family (sort of) has some relations with internet providers in the area so if I actually do follow this, its not something that I am exactly fearing about.
Now regarding the fact that you ran it out of your house, I suppose you had a completely different firewall/fibre to prevent your devices to get any sort of (malware?) since the servers would be running untrusted code
I am more so interested in these two aspects:
Were you worried about the fact that your public ip was available or anything similar? Like I had this fear that it was equal to effectively ddosing myself even though my ip of the current router only gets geolocated to a place 150 kms away from me, I (still?) have that fear
I am not thaat familiar with networking but did you have your own ip ranges or did you provide ipv4 ranges to your customers?
Also how were you managing the fact that maybe your house could've been swatted (I am not sure about the security of north carolina) but I have this deep (irrational?) fear that anyone might do nefarious things since effectively I think that we are only as strong as our weakest link and I am curious if something like this happened with you or did you have any such thoughts?
https://console.carolinacloud.io/ is unreachable, my container is also unreachable.
https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/console.carolinacloud.io...
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