Visa and Mastercard Might Have a Deal to Lower Merchant Fees
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Visa and Mastercard are potentially making a deal to lower merchant fees, but commenters are skeptical that this will benefit retailers or consumers, and worry that rewards programs will be impacted.
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Yeah, the only money Visa/MC make is from fees. I think we ought to take away her business and economic degrees - she's just trying to keep her piece of the pie by literally being a mouthpiece that's "independent". I'm sure they have industry insiders everywhere to make sure things happen they way they "need" to.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44750373 (citations)
FedNow Is Live - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36801491 - July 2023
This is the equivalent of UPI in India and Pix in Brazil. The US is just late, as always, to the future, and incumbents are fearing extinction due to progress that makes their existence unnecessary.
I'm hoping that FedNow becomes more widely available but my suspicion is that only the big merchants, like Walmart, that have the technical sophistication to incorporate FedNow will benefit from this. Every mom and pop merchant that uses Square or Clover will just defer to the payment processor that will incorporate FedNow and charge their own management fee to these merchants. Then the bank the consumer uses will need to offer a way to use FedNow to pay and my guess is that banks that offer credit cards will resist this for as long as possible.
Just look at the rollout of Zelle. Only a handful of banks offer it. They differ widely in their implementation of it. Different banks offer different limits both in transaction frequency, per transaction limits, maximum transaction limits per month, and more. Then there's a Zelle app for banks that don't actually provide Zelle. On top of that Zelle has its own in-network fraud management that's a separate layer on top of the risk management that each bank and account offers. In practice this makes using Zelle frustrating. I suspect FedNow will work the same way.
Fintechs like Wealthfront, Mercury, Robinhood, Venmo/Paypal, and CashApp will probably be the first to offer it. Newer fintechs probably will too. But bank choice is often a family decision and many people bank where their parents banked. In general financial education in the US is very poor and banks and legacy credit cards know this and will use this knowledge to hobble FedNow.
https://www.wrdw.com/2025/04/04/what-tech-why-zelle-is-shutt...
> However, the dedicated Zelle app is being discontinued. Why? It turns out that while Zelle boasts a massive user base, only a small fraction – about 2% – actually use the standalone app. The vast majority access Zelle through their bank’s own app or website. This low usage is the primary reason behind the decision to shut down the Zelle app.
Anyone can plug into FedNow, either as a bank or licensed service provider. I expect it to take time for FedNow to become the default rails, but I’m highly confident it’ll happen, as there is very little anyone can do to stop the Fed from offering it.
https://www.frbservices.org/financial-services/fednow/organi...
(day job is in financial services at a fintech, all of my personal financial service providers are on FedNow)
The old fashioned bank I use when I need in person banking (most of my money goes through fintechs or brokerage accounts) is on the FedNow list you link but doesn't offer FedNow use for its users. I can't, for example, pay my wife through FedNow.
That doesn't change the thrust of my argument, that middlemen will end up eating whatever efficiencies that FedNow opens up.
(Sorry if this sounds flippant. I don't want it to be. I think publicly admitting to being wrong is important on this site, even though very few people do it.)
1. International travel - I can (and have) used Visa and MC cards world wide. My Amex cards not so much. They aren’t accepted widely internationally - except strangely enough in the UK when we went.
2. Fraud protection/mis billing - the last thing I want is every random company having a settled payment without my being able to dispute it with the credit card company. While the dispute is happening, it’s not my money being held up.
3. Subscriptions - subscriptions are hard enough to cancel. At least I can easily cancel a credit card
4. Credit card holds - right now, if you rent a car or stay in a hotel for example, they put a hold on your credit card. They can do the same with a debit card. But that’s your money on hold and inaccessible.
5. Related to #4, once you put a credit card on file in those cases, they actually can charge you whatever they want - damages, etc. Do you really want them having direct access to your bank account?
1. Yes unless FedNow can interface with other bank interchange standards, I'm not sure where this will end up.
2. Exception resolution is a part of FedNow [1]. My guess is banks will have their own layer atop the resolution layer discussed. I suspect this will be a middleman layer.
3. FedNow is a push protocol, like crypto. Banks would have to offer recurring payment functionality atop FedNow.
4. Yes this will probably turn into some form of deposit like what happens with a debit card.
5. Again FedNow is a push protocol it's not a pull protocol. It allows for Request For Payment requests but nothing can directly debit from your bank account.
3. And how does that work in cases where you have a deferred payment? For instance merchants aren’t allowed to charge you for a product until it ships.
4. That’s a very bad thing. I live in a hotel [1] I see international travelers especially who may not have credit cards and the hotel puts a large hold on their cash (debit card) and they can’t use it while they are here. Even after they realize it and the manager authorizes the hold to be released as a courtesy, they still don’t have immediate access to their cash.
5. The bank is not going to ask you every time you send a payment through just like they don’t now when you use your credit card
[1] I live in a unit of a condotel. I own the condo unit like anyone else owns a condo. The difference is that most people rent them out and it’s managed by the hotel property manager. When someone stays in your unit, you split the income with the property manager. Most use it as a vacation property/second home
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/condotel.asp