Tinnitus Neuromodulator
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The Tinnitus Neuromodulator tool on MyNoise.net generates customized sound frequencies to help alleviate tinnitus symptoms, sparking a community discussion on personal experiences and coping strategies.
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Maybe I could apply for a clinical trial.
If it ever gets approved, it should be considerably better than Lenire, but it's sure taking its time.
A HN user said they'd provide specs to reproduce such a device, here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43920360
[1] https://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/7229... [2] https://www.science.org/doi/pdf/10.1126/scitranslmed.aal3175 [3] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle...
The fans don’t totally block out the tinnitus, but they sorta act as an undistracting distraction.
I've found that stuff like this site and therapy approaches like it tend to make me hypervigilant about my tinnitus, which is exactly the opposite of what I want. My tinnitus is moderate-severity (it's loud but never competes with real sound) and just by keeping background noise around I'm at a point where I think about it maybe a couple times a week tops; most of the times I'm persistantly thinking about it, it turns out I have a sinus infection or something.
Pair: https://mynoise.net/NoiseMachines/numberStationsRadioNoiseGe... with: https://mynoise.net/NoiseMachines/magicDuneArrakisGenerator....
I set the numbers stations to 'narrow' and Arrakis to 'wide' and stereo field, mute the numbers stations that repeats german numbers (those stand out to me too easily)... and it's like some magical productivity hack of my brain.
The white noise generators were also a lifesaver when working in a busy open plan studio with loud idiots.
About 95% of the time, I can fairly easily just tune it out and it's no different than any other background noise. Living in NYC helps, there's a fair amount of constant background noise even in the best of times. I've found that finding 10-hour videos on YouTube of TV static at a low volume can be helpful for the remaining 5%.
Still I would really prefer it wasn't there. The ringing in my left ear is still annoying, and I'm only in my mid 30's, so assuming an average lifespan I have anywhere from 40-60 years left to enjoy this constant ringing.
I'll play with this thing to see if it helps.
I got mine in my 30's too. The first week I thought I was going crazy, and this was the end of my life. I was shocked, I couldn't go to work for a whole week.
I then saw a doctor who said to me: "Man, I've got tinnitus since 20 years and I barely hear it anymore. The more you accept it, the more it'll fade."
A decade later, my own experience is exactly this. I accepted it as one of the body malfunctions that comes with age for everybody. I barely hear it anymore except in extremely low noise situations and it doesn't bother me at all.
I wish you well.
I had a slight crack in my windshield right at eye level view. And after a minute of driving I don't notice it at all anymore
No you can't tune them out.
They are always there, sometimes if you are very lucky you can get engrossed enough not to have them as the first or second thing on your mind
But it is always in the top five you never can tune them out you have always be aware as not to to certainn things.
Here I am, 31. I have to look for them really really hard to see if they are still there. Only when I have a streak of stressful days and bad night sleep, they will be visible again. It comes without saying that I had to change my life in many, many aspects, not only due to these floaters. A much calmer life, better food, gym, financial security, better friends and people around me, and cultivate a spiritual being in some sense. The mind can be shaped in many many ways it's fascinating.
[Of course this is not be used as medical advice, as your LLM for that ;)]
tinnitus seems similar. maybe in the future there could be some kind of functionally guided high intensity focused ultrasound ablation procedure that could dull out some of the malfunctioning percept, but for now probably the best bet is to ignore it.
on a related note in interesting auditory neurotechnology, vestibular implants seem pretty cool!
What helped me accept (and ignore) tinnitus was realizing that I had already grown accustomed to tolerating that sound indoors. When's it's something you have no agency over (like "it's an old house and the wires just make that sound sometimes"), you learn it's part of the environment.
Accepting it as part of the environment gets you past the "OMG my body is ruined forever" anxieties and back to normal life.
I have known people that have it much worse than I face daily.
I genuinely could hear CRTs when I was 5.
Tinnitus sound now is very similar for me too.
Hearing test showed high frequency hearing loss in that range which is well above human speech and a lot of music.
I always have that, but I only hear a random high pitched tinnitus noise in one ear, rising and falling in volume for max 10 seconds, about once every few months.
I can still hear old CRTs in my forties, although it's less maddening now. They had those mosquito devices, that are intended to repel kids, for a while at a shopping mall near me. They repelled me very effectively as well.
A friend once thought it was funny to try the 15.000Hz silent ringtone on me, although I had told him not to. It made me react without conscious input and I nearly broke his phone.
Holy crap! I'm not alone! And now I have a name for it. They've always freaked me out and I don't even know how to describe it to people.
I get these, too. I just looked it up, and it's called "Sudden, brief, unilateral, tapering tinnitus (SBUTT)." That's quite an SEO-friendly name.
It's mildly annoying but I've definitely learnt to live with it pretty ok.
I only notice it when it changes abruptly (very rare), but otherwise I just tune it out
Audiologist suggested treating it like a rock in your shoe. At the time seemed like impossible advice but now I just live with it and it’s 100% fine.
Also the idea that it is actually made worse by anxiety was a game changer for me. Literally, “don’t worry about it” is the exact right advice.
That said, I have experienced occasional reoccurrence. One thing that helps is I ask my masseuse to concentrate on the sides of my neck- there is a specific muscle that when tense can cause ringing.
Does your tinnitus get momentarily worse when you tense your neck muscles?
It’s not what anyone wants to hear, but it’s the pragmatic approach that works best from everything I’ve seen.
The people who become involved in tinnitus forums, support groups, and chasing experimental treatments think they’re helping themselves but they’re really only bringing it to top of mind over and over again.
It feels frustrating to give up and disconnect from all things tinnitus related on th internet, but disconnecting is exactly what helps with the process of letting it fall into the background of your life. Constantly bringing it to the foreground and reading about it only makes it worse.
I didn't want to depend on a drug, but after getting into a really bad, quasi-suicidal mental state, I went to the psychiatrist. I've been on escitalopram for 4 months and it has really helped reduce the distress associated with tinnitus in like 80%. Making an effort to not think about it has also helped.
I hope to stop taking the drug at some point and see if the mental improvement persists.
To everyone who doesn't have it, wear ear plugs at concerts, be careful when you remove the ear plugs, and use the max volume limiters on your phones. Enjoy your hearing while you have it.
Oh, exactly this. Haven't thought about mine in months, but as soon as I actively think about the subject, suddenly the high-pitch whine in my left ear is back and louder than ever.
I also experienced significant hearing loss around the same time. My hearing had always been absurdly good, but that changed over about a year. Now I can hear well enough to get by, but I really miss what I had. Protect your hearing!
They make a sensual pleasure less pleasurable, and they also protect against life-altering consequences.
I wish I took better care of my ears as damage is pretty much irreversible.
Street fests are the worst since you have a perfect combination of amateur sound engineers, outside sound shaping, and an amateur audience to boot. Sometimes I think bringing children to steet fests should be illegal if there's going to be that loud of music. I've seen some clock in at ~115dB! Ridiculous.
Gotta get better about the condom usage though
I may not be able to fully recount all the factors but I believe my ears may have had some residual fluid after recovering from covid (my covid symptoms were entirely unpleasant and impacted me differently in many ways). Before my ears cleared up, I took a domestic flight where I actually got vertigo for a few 10s of seconds on ascent. My ENT believes my eardrum expanded to touch the inner ear.
The following day I went to a gun range and did skeet shooting for a couple of hours then shot really big guns and sniper rifles. The earplugs I brought myself were likely not adequate and taking them out and putting them in repeatedly in relatively cool weather likely didn't provide the best seal either.
That night or the next day I noticed lots of ringing in my ears and I started to become worried when it was still there even after a week. The worst was being in silent meeting rooms at work where it was most noticeable. It was extremely depressing and I nearly lost all hope.
I visited 2 separate ENTs and each just sent me re-take my yearly hearing test. They didn't really provide any comforting words other than to take the test and wear hearing protection, etc..
Before the hearing test (~2 weeks after the gun range and flights) I explained everything to the audiologist and he said "Lots of people have various degrees of tinnitus/ringing, just don't think about it. I have it and that's what I do. Don't let it bother you and live your life."
Interestingly enough, my audio test came back better than the previous 10 year results and since then I just don't think about it. If I do I can certainly hear it. My only personal takeaway is that the brain and body are very complex and have an arsenal of mechanisms to deal with trauma and that for this particular instance I've been very lucky.
I too got used to it, but I would really advice people to avoid flying sick if they can help it (or at least use some meds to unblock your ears while doing it).
- Cut stimulant use (coffee, energy drinks) and alcohol
- Drink plenty of water
- Check blood pressure
- Talk to a dentist and check if you grind teeth or suffer from jaw stiffness
- Supplement Magnesium (chelated/glycinate, 300mg/day)
I’m ignoring issues of the ear canal (wax, secretions) since you mentioned it.
Studies point to tinnitus being either caused by changes in blood supply on the inner ear, of neurological origin or trauma. These are all measures I took and greatly improved my case (and when I neglect one of those, it comes back).
I do very slightly grind my teeth in my sleep, but in this particular case the problem is basically solved (at least at the dental level) because I have mild sleep apnea so I sleep with a plastic mouthpiece every night anyway.
I'll look into the magnesium supplements.
Magnesium plays a part on vasodilation regulation as well, and many people are silently deficient on it. It’s hard to detect deficiency w/ blood samples, because the body works hard to keep blood concentration stable. You will know you do if you get muscle cramps or twitches.
At the time my life had changed dramatically. My parents split. Moved to an area adjacent to government housing projects, through which I had to travel everyday to school, and I was, by virtue of unfortunately being wrong color, beaten daily by gangs of hooligans. I ended up sneaking through a slightly wooded area like a South American guerilla until they caught me there.
I couldn't handle it as I was already a sensitive kid and, the parent I ended up with, the other having gone to jail, was compassionless due to their own horrific upbringing. So I had no way of coping which led to total breakdowns and anxiety attacks.
Tinnitus reared it's ugly head soon after which further exacerbated the anxiety.
But the correlation is all speculation on my part because my parent only took me to the doctor a year or so later after much complaining. And only for the tinnitus, not the crippling anxiety.
I saw a few specialists, had hearing tests, MRI and CT, and everything came back fine. Couldnt work it out so I gave up for a bit.
Later I went back to my GP and got another referral. This time the consultant asked the radiologist to focus on a specific area. He explained it can show up on a normal scan but unless they know what to look for it often gets missed.
That is when they found I have thinning of the bone over the inner ear called superior semicircular canal dehiscence SSCD.
I wear sleep earphones at night which have been life changing.
Sleeping with tinnitus can be very hard and increases the anxiety. At least it was for me. I found specific sleep earphones worked particularly well at reducing this.
i was taking it for unrelated nerve pain and was very surprised that my sense of smell and hearing also remarkably improved, to the point where i needed to reduce the long standing 'known' audio levels of all my various listening gadgets a few clicks. the ringing was a little worse for the first couple weeks, but then reduced a couple more weeks, then almost completely stopped 1 day.
from what i gather, high doses of the fat soluble form of vitamin b1 can repair nerves and is used as first line therapy in some countries for neuropathy, chronic pain and even alzheimers.
i'm sure it won't help everyone, i can't even find any solid research on tinnitus and benfotiamine, but putting this out in the ether since it is a cheap and relatively safe thing to try, i was completely surprised by this nice off-label side effect (it did help with my nerve pain as well). there is much more research based evidence on benfotiamine therapy for other nerve problems, and it follows that hearing and smell would also be affected, it's all nerves, good luck
edit * adding if you are taking high doses of benfotiamine, you should also be taking magnesium with it, i just took zma (zinc, magnesium and b6) at bedtime *
Why not use lipothiamine or occasionally sulbutiamine instead for this purpose?
As for ALA, I take the r- fraction form.
the cynic in me thinks the research around an un-patentable nutritional fix could only be funded in academia and there's much more serious nerve ailments that get the attention/dollars
I don't know the exact cause, but I started noticing it during a job-related burnout and a series of work-related events that significantly increased my stress levels.
It was so bad to the point I had to abruptly quit my job (FYI, freelancing without a safety net sucks).
My doctor gave me pills to help calm my brain and the noise, especially during the night. I also have hypersensitivity, so having a constant noise ringing was not ideal :/
Luckily my ENT doctor recommended that I do multiple things at the same time:
The hissing is still there, but I can now ignore it most of the time.I started to see life a bit differently since then. Things that disrupt your life can happen so suddenly...
I'm still trying to find a job, but I lost a lot of confidence and developed a bit of a trauma since I don't want to experience burnout again :/
The white noise must be played below the level of the tinnitus, so one can hear both sounds simultaneously. Doing so, in theory, the brain learns to reclassify the tinnitus as an unimportant signal (noise).
It will be easy once you start.
It might not be worth it to you, it might be worth it to someone else.
I would still like to hear about this substitute that is both effective and can be used "all the time".
Tizanidine causes "dependence", too, by the way.
Funny you mention Tizanidine, because that is what I want to try as well for my MS-related muscle spasticity.
Alprazolam works, but I have been using it for years and it would be great to finally get off of them. It does not last long either, and longer acting benzos don't work for me for some reason. I tried diazepam, which was supposed to be just perfect, but it did not work at all. :(
In any case, hoping tizanidine will work for me, we will see.
Let me know if tizanidine works for your tinnitus though, my mom has been "suffering" from it for a long time now.
38, came out of nowhere few months ago, seen any kind of doctor, I hear this 24/7 whistle in my ear.
Being in silent rooms or trying to sleep is hard.
It was not until someone explained that they had tinnitus and told me their symptons that I suddenly realised that I too had tinnitus.
Since then it's become harder to ignore it but on the other hard, its nice to know that it's not normal and that others can truly hear nothing - something I do wish I could do: hear nothing. I did recently discovered that head under water helps to reduced the sound.
Acceptance has been my treatment for years, I hear it when there is mental downtime. So it does keep me busy (mentally) so that I don't hear it - ironically tinnitus motivates me to do stuff!
100%. I remember being rather young - maybe 5? - and listening to the deafening sound of ringing in my ears when laying in bed. Never knew that quiet was supposed to actually be quiet.
I wish I didn't have it, but I've literally never not had it, AFAIK.
Possibly unrelated: I can fall asleep within a minute of laying my head down, almost every single day. Built-in white(ish) noise machine?
I'm on 12kHz, vacuum cleaner level.
If you ever find something that works for you, please reply here @tombert, I'll do the same :)
I already posted another comment, but will mention here for GP that the ‘White Bursts’ noise generator on mynoise.net is where I’ve experience the strongest tinnitus reaction. I can audibly hear the tinnitus drop with every cycle, and after listening to it for a few minutes, my tinnitus is quieter for maybe a half hour, then it comes back later.
My own tinnitus is 15khz which is annoyingly high. And I suspect the reason why tools like Tinnitus Neuromodulator don't help much in my case.
I like “tinnitusreliever610”. TBH, I haven’t found the notched noise to be any more relief than full spectrum white or pink noise.
https://youtube.com/@tinnitusreliever610
Please consider a local noise generator. Static is incompressible so you're using quite a lot of data.
that said, prob nothing to do other than wait and hope for the best really
when i had tinnitus following an ear infection years ago, it lasted several months and gradually went away but I always had at least white noise around me and some people say "notch" therapy can be helpful...
I would really like to experience total silence at some point, but that seems very unlikely.
I could not get to sleep because the noise was so loud and intense.
It reminded me of those spy films where they torture someone playing loud heavy metalcore all day and night.
I had a X-ray, ultra-sound and two Consultants had a look.
Both said that there was nothing wrong with my ear. No ear wax, no damage, no issues at all.
They both mentioned that tense facial and neck muscles may be a cause.
As well as the constant ringing, there is a sound like a central eating system, thumping and groaning away, in both my ears too. I initially thought the thumping and groaning was the Mrs snoring.
I bought some earloops thinking my ears were too sensitive and I was somehow hearing noises from the houses down the road and the motorway traffic 3 miles away. to no avail, even with the earloops blocking all exterior noise, I still had the high pitched and low piched internal noises.
I found a way to reduce the noise.
I was laying in bed one night and I was relaxing my jaw when I noticed that if I opened my mouth and let my jaw hang loose all the noises stopped.
So over a month or so I tried to train my jaw to be less tense and more relaxed.
For me it worked.
it was my jaw.
I'm 69, so have a few less years years than your good self
In my experience, I barely notice it on a day-to-day basis.
What I have noticed is that it's worse/noticeable when after a night of drinking and if I'm tired/stressed.
Can you try something? Find a very quiet place, one where you do hear the tinnitus.
Move your jaw as far to left, and then to the right, and notice if the tinnitus stops, changes, or alters at all.
Next, get a firm hold of your earlobe of the tinnitus ear, and pull and hold it away and at various angles from your head; you can do this earlobe move separately or in combination with the jaw movements.
Do any positions improve the tinnitus?
I went through MRI etc to no avail.
Then one day I felt something (extremely deep in my ear) just 'release', like a tube unblocking or pressure equalising. And the sound went away and (fingers crossed) hasn't come back since. This was after daily issues for 8-9 months solid.
At one point it was so loud, it would drown out the sound of a dryer when right next to it.
This was party from impacted earwax but still pretty bad after cleaning.
Hearing test showed substantial high frequency loss (well above speech frequencies)
A few suggestions:
1) Listening to light music helped me stop focusing on it.
2) Tried Taurine. Unsure if it helped, didn’t hurt. Make sure you aren’t low on Vitamin D. That alone causes enough other problems too.
3) Make sure you don’t clench teeth or have dental issues. I think that might be able to aggravate the nerves.
It never went fully away but I’m no longer overtly conscious, just faint in the background. Always aware of light pressure/muffled feeling in affected ear. Changes were slow and gradual but did happen. Doesn’t bother me much anymore. Do miss the “sound of silence” but light background music while working is enjoyable .
It rarely bothers me (although it’s always there) but obviously there’s a cause and I’d like to find it. I have a suspicion it may be somehow related to neck anatomy and/or postural factors (it sometimes seems to worsen slightly with particular positions) in bed but beyond that I’m at a loss.
First and foremost, ignore it. When you find yourself listening to it, distract yourself and immediately move on.
Secondly, add more white noise into your environment. The best approach I find is just opening a window or adding a little fan or water feature to your desk. White noise generators don’t work as well for me, but they can help in a pinch.
I believe that our modern day indoor environments are honestly just too unnaturally quiet anyway.
I’m not joking when I say that the only time I really get annoyed by my tinnitus is when the monthly “cure” for it gets posted on HN. ;-)
apparently the phenomenon is called residual inhibition. If only there was a way to make this work permanently...
Also works pretty great. If I need a few minutes of actual silence I use that. I think people using TENS and other therapies are basically stimulating the same nerves to treat it.
Honestly, I never felt particularly negative about it.
I guess if you never know what true silence sounds like, you never know what you are missing.
It's a quieter version of the tinnitus you can personally get if you are close to a loud noise (don't do this intentionally, it is an indication that you've caused yourself some hearing damage).
I've never heard static, I think that honestly sounds closer to what might actually be termed a noise floor. I know what a noise floor sounds like, and I've never heard a noise floor just due to quiet conditions...
IDK, like I said, unfortunately science hasn't found a way to easily and temporarily swap ears.
I found a YouTube video of a "tinnitus demo" with the right sound and frequency. I could only start hearing it at about 80% volume. I gave my headphones to my partner and she said it was unbearable. I guess I'm used to my normal.
I slightly regret knowing about it, I seem to be paying more attention to it now.
I think actually stimulating the parts of your hearing that match the tinnitus is what helps. That's why this white noise thing works. But, also, listening to music or watching movies with the Airpods Pro (after configuring) -- I assume -- does something similar.
Lots of people giving good feedback on it, though. What exactly is it about this site that works for other people?
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