The Bay Area Is Cursed
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First, I think that the Bay Area tech-like cultures are described accurately — but that the Bay Area non-tech cultures, as in those who are neither within it nor modeling after it, deserve separate consideration. Certainly every local culture I’ve interacted with that is tech-primary or tech-derived has been defective as described, while I also see evidence of thriving non-tech cultures.
Second, no one understands how to bait and tease and flirt other, which certainly aligns with the anecdotes reported by the author about ‘not enough bullying’. I’ve had to exit multiple communities because they’re so intent on putting safety bumpers on every single sharp corner that has ever affected anyone, that I get so dizzy from all the bumpers just in trying to say Hello You Look Nice Is That Wool that I Just Don’t Bother Trying Anymore. I held three long-term relationships spanning two-thirds of my time here and I have been forced to developed a fascinatingly competent filter for people who expect their needs to be discovered and fulfilled without having to bully the world. Local kink is the worst of all worlds: permission required to be flirt, focused on promoting long-term poly and poly-adjacent relationships, and saturated with ‘pillow passive’ subs who assume that service is due them.
Third, the local culture feels like a corpo descendant of the third-wave secular cults such as Landmark or Oprah. It can be distilled trivially into the Three Laws of Bay Cultists, but these are present everywhere in the U.S., but focused into explicit acceptance and preference here. They are:
1. What advances one’s goals is ethical.
2. What hinders one’s goals is unethical.
3. What has no bearing on one’s goals is exempt from ethical consideration.
So, yeah, don’t move here unless you’re forced to. I’m due to leave later this year and it’s not like the local scenes will notice or regret the loss of a ex-tech woman who isn’t interested in talking tech or calendaring poly.
Nobody Goes There Anymore, It’s Too Crowded - Yogi Berra
There is nothing like Dharavi in the bay area. There is some visible poverty in the bay, but it's not at that scale at all . Not to mention the functioning animal control, flood control, etc.
Source: I lived in the bay area (all 3 bays). I also lived in ~20 other cities all over US.
[1]From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/world/06/dharavi_slum/...
Today's Dharavi bears no resemblance to the fishing village it once was. A city within a city, it is one unending stretch of narrow dirty lanes, open sewers and cramped huts.
In a city where house rents are among the highest in the world, Dharavi provides a cheap and affordable option to those who move to Mumbai to earn their living.
Rents here can be as low as 185 rupees ($4/£2.20) per month. As Dharavi is located between Mumbai's two main suburban rail lines, most people find it convenient for work.
Even in the smallest of rooms, there is usually a cooking gas stove and continuous electricity.
Is it because the high speed trains for public transit? Or is it the mobile home parks + landfills + sewage processing plants? https://www.reddit.com/r/SanJose/comments/orsaky/why_does_mi...
This claim is understandable for NYC, NYC has a subway. The money you don't spend on car payment + insurance + gas, plus the convenience helps justify the higher rent/mortgage.
There was a time when this wasn't. The thing is that it _is_ now, especially for people in the upper-middle class and above, who can and do live a WAY better life in Mumbai, however much you try to deny it. There are people who've told me they wouldn't bother living in the Bay Area had it not been for the money, weather and inertia. I am now also seeing a lot of NRIs who are grasping at straws to justify their living in California, something which they didn't even need to bother with 20 years ago.
> The crosswalks in SF and San Jose exist
I find it funny that you have to reach all the way to crosswalks to make a point. The places where you cross the road? What makes you think they don't exist in Mumbai? What about so many places in the US where you cannot even walk on the road if you don't have a car?
You can try and convince people who haven't been to Mumbai at all, or don't live there regularly. People who are well-off, have lived in both places, and especially those who might _now_ consider starting a life in the States: you'll pretty much need to provide a utopia or an extremely high-paying job to convince them to move there. Mumbai is hell, there is no denying that, and even locals will not fight you on it; I personally would not try to convince a non-local to consider Mumbai as a place to live. The problem is that the Bay Area is not the heaven, perceived or real, it used to be any more.
> What makes you think they don't exist in Mumbai?
Attempting to walk in Mumbai lol.
> The problem is that the Bay Area is not the heaven, perceived or real, it used to be any more.
Fair enough. It has a lot of problems but the class of problems is different. You are probably correct that those working in tech probably live better in Mumbai than the bay area. I mean having any money at all means having domestic staff and such.
You need to realize that it's far more than this.
Current status of transport is... quite good. Metros have been built, more are incoming. Sea Link and Atal Setu mean that it's a lot easier to get to the office areas. Taxis, Rickshaws, Buses, Uber/Rapido solve last-mile issues. Populace has genuinely started to fight for cleaner air and better quality of life (Gen Z is publicly calling out companies with a bad work culture). Almost every new home >= 2 bedrooms will have a washer, dryer and a Roomba (some will also have a dishwasher) - significantly reducing the need for most of domestic help (who are increasingly demanding higher wages to offset cost of living). RERA making things at least a bit more transparent when it comes to real-estate activities, RBI in general doing good regulation for at least consumer-oriented finance. The biggest laggard in moving things online (the government) is moving many operations bit-by-bit to online/mobile. There's an explosion of entertainment, food and shopping options. I see a lot more luxury cars on the road than before. Online shopping and payment options are way better than anything in the US. There are enough career options to lead a good life if you're talented - no need to leave the country for that [1]. And I'm talking only about what's already happened, not some imagined future.
> working in tech probably live better in Mumbai
For tech maybe not - you need to go to Bangalore/Hyderabad/NCR for that. Mumbai is better for business and finance-related stuff.
> Attempting to walk in Mumbai lol.
Well, at least one can walk, and can find options to see/shop/do within walking distance. The times I visited the US, outside of NYC, Boston, Chicago and a few college towns, everything else required a car to reach anything important. There were many roads with no sidewalks.
> to the point where i think it would be fun to visit (as opposed to our visits growing up which I dreaded).
I hear you. Not being from this environment for a few years can be a bit overwhelming for people's senses. But locals are used to it.
[1]: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-11-15/india-s-i...
I've visited the Bay Area. The only time I've been scared for my life is when I wandered the streets of San Francisco.
I agree with you that Mumbai has many problems, and you may call me deranged all you want, but trying to diminish the very obvious problems the Bay Area has (some much worse than Mumbai) is not going to do you any favors.
So stop doing that.
"Tech people" are not even a plurality in the greater bay area, let alone a majority. If all you see is tech people everywhere you go, that's your fault. Maybe take some responsibility for your outcomes, and go more interesting places, instead of deciding a metropolis of millions of people is somehow beneath you...
Yes, you can find community among non-tech people. The bay area is large and there are plenty of other people doing other things. SF is filled with cultural spaces. But my experience of the south bay is pretty dire if you want to escape the gaze of tech.
Ads are meaningless drivel. If you let the ads shown on billboards around you affect your life experience and how you define a place, that's absolutely tragic: I don't even know what to say to that.
> It is difficult to avoid tech campuses.
No it isn't, everyone knows where they are.
> Housing stock disproportionately targets high paying single people.
Every urban center in the US is doing that right now.
> When you ride the caltrain it is impossible not to overhear people talking about software engineering.
That must be so difficult to deal with, gosh, I don't know how you managed to survive it.
> But my experience of the south bay is pretty dire if you want to escape the gaze of tech.
It's not, you're just not trying hard enough.
"Mid-tier cities" are great too and have rich social fabrics if you look for them as well!
So objectively speaking, there is some truth to this concern. Women often complain of tech bros: "the odds are good, but the goods are odd" https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/18uxyd7/is_it_me_o...
[1]For $700 a month, renters will soon be able to live in sleeping pods in San Francisco: https://abc7chicago.com/post/exclusive-san-francisco-sleepin...
[2]They met on that couch at PodShare Westwood a year ago and today they got married! https://www.instagram.com/p/Bzi6Lm0B6rs/#
Important: values change in time. It's critical be self aware on that point. What used to work will stop working.
Once you get there the world will seem nicer. You'll be nicer too.
Related:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45894588
Given that tech is now a prime enabler of authoritarianism, I have no love left for SV or doe-eyed engineers lacking a conscience or ethical compass as to what they're actually doing or how they're helping and/or harming society. The Peter Thiel orbiters I met skewed towards Machiavellian creeps, as were about 1/3 of startup people whose "aura" screamed a-hole. There were way too many people I met who were only in software engineering and startups for a big pay{check,day} without much else in the way of curiosity, taste, hobbies, social skills, or critical thinking skills... so not many hacker+painters who could sell something or throw a good party too. The engineers just didn't seem to realize that if they're not also real owners then they're just the help and eagerly fired and replaced with cheaper substitutes. Worker-owned co-ops or meaningful equity or such an employee is wasting their life toiling for someone else who will throw them away and/or underpay them.
Oh well, the zeitgeist of the homebrew computer club sold-out and left the building 3 decades ago.