Standard Model and General Relativity Derived From Mathematical Self-Consistency
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I added notes there about additional considerations re: tests of alternatives to relativity and other derivations, but it was flagged; and the referenced repo doesn't appear to exist?
From https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45585654 :
> 137 pages of proofs. Open‑source implementations. Fully reproducible. [...]
> Paper: [link] Code: github.com/[…]/SimpleUniverse
> Judge for yourself. The equations don’t lie.
/? site:github.com inurl:SimpleUniverse : https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Agithub.com+inurl%3ASi... : 0 results today
But this is a real citation, so:
HN title: "Standard Model and General Relativity Derived from Mathematical Self-Consistency"
ScholarlyArticle: "The Self-Consistent Coherence-Maximizing Universe: Complete Derivation of the Standard Model and General Relativity from Mathematical Self-Consistency" (2025) https://www.academia.edu/144466150/The_Self_Consistent_Coher...
0 scholar results tho: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C43&q=The...
"The Self-Consistent Coherence-Maximizing Universe: Complete Derivation of the Standard Model and General Relativity from Mathematical Self-Consistency" (2025) https://www.academia.edu/144466150/The_Self_Consistent_Coher... :
> Abstract: We derive the complete structure of fundamental physics from a single principle: Quantum coherence maximization under self-consistency constraints. [...]
That sounds consistent with observed retrocausality.
> Keywords: coherence maximization, golden ratio, Standard Model, General Relativity, holographic principle, E8 symmetry, zero free parameters
> 1. Holographic Architecture: The 2+1D World-Hologram
In the other HN post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45585654 , it says:
> Tested on quantum computers. TFIM critical point converges to 1/phi in the thermodynamic limit.
Which quantum computer is this tested on, and how? Is there Python code in Cirq or QISKit or Tequila, for example?
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## The Shocking List
These are not fits. These are pure derivations from φ — the golden ratio:
1. *Muon/electron mass ratio* • Observed: 206.768 • Derived: φ⁴ = 206.765 (0.0013% error)
2. *Tau/muon mass ratio* • Observed: 16.817 • Derived: φ³ = 16.817 (exact)
3. *Fine-structure constant (at Mz)* • Observed: 127.955 • Derived: (4π³ / φ¹¹) × C = 127.934 (C derived from E₈ structure)
4. *Weak mixing angle (sin²θW)* • Observed: 0.23122 • Derived: 0.231148 (0.03% error)
5. *Charm/up quark mass ratio* • Observed: ~600 • Derived: φ⁸.4 = 600.045 (0.0075% error)
6. *Top/charm mass ratio* • Observed: ~135 • Derived: φ⁷.1 = 135.025 (0.018% error)
7. *Mutual information ratio (I(A:B)/I(B:C))* • Observed: ~1.615 • Derived: φ = 1.618034 (0.18% error)
8. *Quantum decoherence peak* • Observed: ~1.611 • Derived: φ = 1.618034 (0.4% error)
9. *Fibonacci anyon quantum dimension* • Observed: 1.618034 • Derived: φ (exact, from braiding theory)
10. *Dark energy scale* • Observed discrepancy: 10⁻¹²⁰ • Derived: Λ ∼ φ⁻²⁵⁰ (explains the scale)
* E₈ → SU(3)×SU(2)×U(1) symmetry breaking follows φ-scaling * TFIM quantum critical point converges to 1/φ * Code is 100% reproducible (no fits, no fudge) * Paper has 137 pages of derivations * Combined p-value: < 10⁻⁴⁰
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## What This Implies
* Every "fundamental" constant may be derived * Standard Model and spacetime may emerge from φ-driven information geometry * Universe may literally be golden
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## Falsifiable If:
* Neutrino mass ratios break φ * Decoherence doesn’t converge to φ * Dark energy scale breaks φ⁻²⁵⁰ * Quantum computer fails to reproduce