Researchers Seeking Better Measures of Cognitive Fatigue
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Delving into the complexities of cognitive fatigue, researchers are seeking better measures to understand this debilitating condition. The discussion surrounding a recent study on the topic quickly turned to the parallels between "long Covid" and myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS), with some commenters pointing out that the conditions share similar symptoms and biology, while others highlighted the challenges of securing funding and attention for research due to the politicization of Covid. A lively debate ensued over whether ME/CFS and long Covid are distinct conditions or part of a broader post-infectious syndrome, with some citing genetic studies that show both overlap and divergence. As commenters weighed in with insights from genome-wide association studies and the nuances of scientific hypothesis-testing, a nuanced understanding of the condition began to emerge.
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[1]: https://www.statnews.com/2023/09/14/long-covid-me-cfs-myalgi...
(Technically, long COVID is a broader diagnosis, encompassing some long-term conditions caused by a COVID-19 infection that are distinct from ME/CFS, but I consider that a "by definition" distinction rather than anything real.)
There is more to it than just different genetic mappings because while both conditions share mitochondria differences which compartments are different. Depending on how deep you dig into the biology they appear the same or quite different and a number of multiple point blood, urine and saliva tests can distinguish the diseases from each other.
I think at this point its more accurate to say they are overlapping conditions, they have similarities but they are different conditions. Sister diseases much in the same way there is overlap in Fibromylgia and Gulf War syndrome with ME/CFS and each other. Long Covid is another post infection Neurological and immune disease with unknown biomarker/core pathology. There are clearly a lot of measurable changes that are dysfunctional so its every bit as real biological disease as the others. What they definitely share is a high amount of debilitation, severe disability and patient reduction in quality of life on the same set of 280 symptoms in a very similar patter of prevalence.
Its also now a disease with very little research funding world wide as well so the situation is unlikely to improve for the 400m+ sufferers world wide.
Your 'source' is btw. from 2023 and as far as i understand it, the main issue is, that due to covid, a lot more people got it but because it was already ignored or played down before, it still is and the people in need just don't get help.
Covid apparently triggered it in more people than before.
I also have the feeling that someone else posted this missconception a few weeks ago on hn. Or was that you too?
This will be interesting to see because for a long time there's been a lot of work saying that "ego depletion" isn't a thing[0] and I swear I have tried to believe this but my own personal experience is completely different. Later in the night, and when I'm mentally tired I do experience this: poor impulse control, lowered emotion regulation, the whole shebang. It'll be interesting to see what the basis is for this, because despite taking all that research at face-value I have to say that now after all these years, I can't help but think it must be wrong.
0: though some have claimed that it is a thing if you believe that it's a thing, i.e. it happens to those who believe in it.
But I agree that doesn't necessarily translate to "willpower is infinite"
So, when you get tired, System 2 leans more and more on the much more energy efficient System 1. So you get behaviors that look like unrestrained habits: poor impulse control, lowered emotional regulation, etc
Modeling two physical systems is pretty interesting though because dementia ends up looking like a clear failure of System 2. Really neat idea generator even if imperfect.
Motivation, pure effort and stubbornness to change our ways, are wasted energy and a waste of time. The only way to effect behavioural change in people is through the unconscious habits that drive 99% of our daily lives.
"or see a doctor, if that’s still a thing people do?"
Yep. People still do that.
for ten years i lived with it
but then i experimented with coq10 and basically the day i started taking those the blindness and migraines disappeared
sharing out of a compulsion that it could help a wayward googler some day
this is not medical advice, this is an anecdote
You are working against yourself in this problem.
To master cognitive capacity is similar to physical labor. There are those who do not resist the efficiency of over achieving and there are those who have no idea what that means.
Rathering a more convenient less exhaustive measure is where you short yourself.
Burn it. Do the work. The exhaustive measures will make you more complete than the banal need which drives you.
Your lazy delegation is the seed of your hypocrisy and it shall blossom into the fatigue of your self reliance.
Only you can bear the terrible burden of free will. And that comes at the cost of your determination to resolve.
There has been a lot more science in this area it seems in the last 5 years, maybe it's just me, and the attention to do with long covid, or other things that cross the blood/brain barrier.
It's encouraging to see articles like this, since there is no single measure or signal of this, its really about considering brain health in general, and doing everything that is possible to eliminate neuroinflammation that can be.
The challenge for folks suffering with symptoms that includes a neurological thing like brain fog is the challenge of usually having to be the Quarterback integrating between specialists, because specialists don't necessarily integrate. For someone with cognitive fatigue, since it's differnet for everyone on different tasks, it can be a lot.
It's been eye opening to learn how many specialists first overlook proper neck posture and position since it can have a direct effect on what's getting into/out of the brain and downstream symptoms. Advocating for the basic inputs first before trying things is critical.
Additionally, tools like QEEG and FMRI are promising, not super mainstream yet but appear to have decent information it can provide of what is happening in the brain. In addition to this, the area of neurofeedback (devices like mendi, bellabee, etc seem to have some promise to help in some cases).
Another thing that too often gets missed is first ensuring things are OK physiologically. A simple xray of the neck and where nerves, blood and more go up into the brain is too often a step that's missed, and quite often there might be some compression, tightness or pinches there limiting the brain to recieve what it normally may have - and instead effort is spent trying to figure out how to get the brain operating better with a garden hose that's been slightly pinched.
Fatigue to the extent I understand it neurologically seems to at least two sided dice: energy and nutrition being available when and where it's needed on one side, and the things needed in place to use that energy effectively.
Chronic depletion or deficiencies in certain vitamins, amino acids, etc can also build up over time. Doing what we can for nutrition is critical, including any research backed neuroinflammation reducing supplements (magnesium threonate, saffron, omega 3, tumeric, etc).