Privately-Owned Rail Cars
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from this page it sounds like you own it but Amtrak keeps it parked at their switching stations or something
https://www.aaprco.com/
Which considering how many can travel in one might not be terribly expensive.
I've only seen one of these trains once, and it was an ordinary train. I've no idea what the cost would be.
There is still hope for those cars. If you want to pay for it a ridding company can transport anything from anywhere to anywhere - they will get the correct permits and then load it on a trailer - this is easiest and most common, but not cheap. In some cases you can get an override from the RR to tow it - they can put new wheels under it quick enough, and then put it at the end of the train on a slow month (which is to say they will avoid their busy routes were something breaking would cause problems), again not cheap, but possible and sometimes the RR will subsides the cost if the car has historic value. If there are tracks you can restore it where it is and then the RRs will take it again.
I think you wait in a remote bit of Nevada for a train to pass, and trigger a rock fall which causes the driver to slam on the brakes and bring the train to a stop just short of the rockfall.
Then, you and your posse jump out from behind some rocks and fire your revolvers in the air, and the driver sticks his hands up. There's much celebration, and back slapping as you discover the train also happens to have a massive amount of gold bullion on board.
The rest is a bit blurry, can't remember seeing what you then do, but it probably involves filing down the serial numbers on the frame or something like that?
Cop walks up to the window and asks for their license and registration please. Another shootout occurs followed by a multi-track multi-train police chase, but everyone needs to stay on their respective train tracks.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e6/55/f9/e655f9c6ae124664ad5c...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_37
On a little platform on wheels, with a see-saw type manual propulsion. And the police are waving their billy clubs and gaining on you!
That's pretty much it.
The serial numbers are on the axle bearing covers, BTW.
> The argument of the railroads is... okay, you have our train. Now what? You either go forward or you go backward, and we know where both those directions go.
[credit: thanatos_dem]
There was some discussion on the process here a few years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19505897 written shortly after Amtrak complained "These operations caused significant operational distraction, failed to capture fully allocated profitable margins". It's not an easy process.
Operating, maintenance, and storage costs dwarf the capital costs within a few years so unless it’s rusting in a backyard, the expensive part is using it rather than buying one. Storage alone costs $30k-50k a year.
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin_Museum,_Gori#/me...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tito's_Blue_Train
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2021/02/this-was-gaddafis-pers...
Edit: https://www.amtrak.com/content/dam/projects/dotcom/english/p...
Slightly less than $5 a mile with a minimum of $2296. The rate to park your car is around $4000 a month. Fun thing to do if you have the money.
https://www.amtrak.com/content/dam/projects/dotcom/english/p...
https://www.amtrak.com/content/dam/projects/dotcom/english/p...
- Cost per mile: $4.72
- Minimum charge: $2296
There are also a huge number of other fees that I can't tell if you'd need to pay in practice, e.g.:
- Additional Locomotive Fee (per loco mile): $7.54
- Amtrak Locomotive Daily Charge: $2513
- Head End Power Daily Charge: $3433
- Annual Administrative Fee: $574
https://www.amtrak.com/content/dam/projects/dotcom/english/p...
The cars were usually built by a company like Pullman, usually from a time frame of roughly 1900 +/- 20 years.
Huge money pits, with tons of (often quite ornate) wood m, etc. then add the cost of restoration (again almost all of these cars are 100+ years old), retrofitting modern electrical systems, air conditioning. Could easily be a million dollar project.
But I mean, just look what a nice one is like inside.
Something like this one (Which I've actually been in)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ9TscDfHMQ
The first time I realized this kind of thing was a tour of a baseball stadium. They showed us the suites. I forgot how much they cost but if you got a bunch of friends together to fill one then they were in the same range as medium good seats.
Example: https://www.mlb.com/padres/tickets/premium/suites Various prices, one is $4260 for 20 people. That's $213 each. Is that rich person's thing?
It wasn't clear what the private car costs but, just guessing the Train Jam did this. https://trainjam.com/faq You can see the prices for 52hr ride.
He was known for taking trains as well, e.g. he was a frequent Amtrak rider: https://vault.si.com/vault/1980/11/17/clear-the-tracks-for-b...
Some private cars do NOT use it and instead have their own generator. In theory you could have one with no lights, etc at all.
I’ve been on an Amtrak where it lost hotel power; nothing but emergency lighting until they got to a station where they could swap the locomotive.
But the train kept running, and the conductor had to walk the entire train announcing stops verbally; with no PA system.
Wow. That is crazy and surprising. I can see losing air conditioning, but the PA should be considered mission critical.
Way back in the day of steam heating was via open-cycle steam and electric lighting via generators on passenger car axles with a local battery to keep the lights on while stopped.
Eventually with the end of steam they switched to electric heating and can conveniently siphon off electric lights from that.
Affordable public transport for the peasants though? lmao no
https://www.aaprco.com/charter-a-private-car
I guess it starts at $30,000? Though that might be for an entire train, not just the cars above.
https://www.amtrak.com/charter-your-private-train
Groups of wealthy people could split a train car. Private Train-car time shares?
Last mile problem? Have your personal assistant drive whatever vehicle you want and have it waiting when the train arrives. They can take an Uber back to wherever they need to be next.
The back lowers and either a black Trans Am or a trio of red white & blue Minis drive out, depending on personal taste.
When you get to the “pay someone to drive the car to where you need to be so that you can use it” amounts of money things become much easier.
There’s a wall…
No wall, nothing, just you, your roommate and a toilet for you two.
EDIT: Video, 1 year old https://youtu.be/wf9OtLxha_U?t=1952
Wikipedia says that they're primarily used on the east coast, so that's probably why I've not seen one. I've ridden all over the lines west of Chicago. I'd love to do their new Chicago to Miami line sometime, so perhaps I'll have the privilege.
Why anyone would pay 100x the price to have the same experience is beyond me.
But that decoupling from the need to be somewhere at a time is quite hard.
Last time I took Amtrak out of LA Union Station, it broke down but luckily was able to pull into the next station so people could get off and find another route. I stayed on and after about 4 hours we were towed back to union station.
So you need to work within their framework. Take the smoke breaks with other passengers. Note how the door works. See where the nearby road is.
And then do a runner.
The independently wealthy company secretary, whose family owned the railroad, as I recall.
"Uh, trying to perform my ablutions?"
I learned a great new word from that episode. Archer is one of the best shows for strange and funny use of language, they just nail my favourite type of humour.
Or...you can buy an entire rail car, hitch it to the haggard burro that is Amtrak and chug along at pony express speeds across the United States of nothingness until freight rail causes you to have to stop for 3 hours at a time as you do not have right of way.
Enjoy Batesland Nebraska at 20mph slower than the interstates posted speed limit.
who at Amtrak thought this was worth even mentioning?
A Amtrak train is slower than driving.
though they also don't have time to take a slow train.
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I prefer train any time.
For example, Portland to Seattle isn't that far but I-5 can easily back up and become an hours-long ordeal, and SEA and PDX aren't particularly close to a lot of places.
A backlog of hundreds of hours of podcasts doesn’t hurt.
Still would prefer the train.
A train that is an hour slower than the best driving time but consistently so is easier to plan around than a car that is an hour faster or an hour slower than the train with no clear rhyme or reason.
Pinnacle! I’d even have some begrudging respect for Trump if he made them bust this thing out of storage heh.
/cue bald eagle
Lots of people tool around in giant class-a motorhomes. They are 40 or 45 feet long. They are basically small apartments with double-door fridges, dishwasher, washer/dryer, starlink, etc
if they add the self-driving stuff, it will make them extra popular.
I think mobileye might have something.
I wish they offered this on more routes.
/s
What’s the point of billions if you don’t have an airship?!?
FYI, whenever they go someplace they almost always have time in the schedule dedicated to giving free rides. You just gotta be in the right place at the right time ;)
Zeppelins are the real rigid deal.
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