Printed Circuit Board Substrates Derived From Lignocellulose Nanofibrils
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Researchers have developed a sustainable printed circuit board substrate derived from lignocellulose nanofibrils, sparking discussion on its potential environmental impact and industrial applications.
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Same with "paper" coffee cups: you want coffee cups which can be recycled, and paper is recycleable, but paper can't hold water, so it requires a plastic / hydrophobic coating, so you can't recycle the paper, so your recycleable coffee cups aren't recycleable.
That unit doesn't look right.
Why can't we all just use SI anyway :(
Hopefully they meant kWh. Kilowatt-hours per kg makes a ton more sense. That's just a measure of energy spent per unit of mass produced, right?
(P.S.: though all things considered, it seems a shame that we use kilowatt-hours instead of something simpler like kilojoules... but I guess that would be harder to intuit in some cases?)
So many trendy eco-virtue-signaling buzzwords, but as anyone who has worked with attempting to repair FR-1/FR-2 (SRBP) PCBs will tell you, they've been making them out of cellulose-derived materials for around a century; but they just aren't very good.
"Sustainable" = "doesn't last very long and is impossible to repair, sustaining the business of selling you a new one".
The root cause that I'd like to see addressed is an industry that has incentives to churn out unrepairable throwaway electronics. But stuff like this that try to greenwash e-waste would make it less likely that the root cause is addressed, not more.
Method Inc went through a phase where they made containers out of virgin materials because the overall ecological footprint was several times better than the best we could hope for plastic recycling, and that was before we found out plastic recycling is half sham. A lot of the trick was making thinner containers out of specialty materials that were lower volume than the waste stream from plastic recycling. Eventually they figured out a recyclable material that is as light as the disposable ones, so they get the best of both worlds. Unfortunately they only use those for hand soap refills.
Why? I recently had a repair bill of more than $12,000 for my Kia EV6, after rats got under the hood and chewed through a critical wiring harness.
Of course rats will chew through most anything, but the EV6 apparently has soy-based insulation on the wiring instead of traditional plastic. So it is extra tasty for rats!
GEICO covered everything beyond my $1000 comprehensive deductible, but I don't want to be thought of as an irresponsible policyholder, especially with the great rate they gave me on this car - literally half of my previous policy.
So I have taken extensive countermeasures. If anyone is curious, feel free to ask and I will list them.
You would think the auto manufacturers should shoulder the burden of making wires less delicious.
I would say the only practical application would be disposable things like PCBs in single-use vape pens. (Which are pretty environmentally offensive on other levels anyway.)
They weren't able to measure it because it kept changing. /s
Definitely want to keep those two factories separate. And don’t get the former wet.