Openai Won't Make Money by 2030 and Needs Another $207b, Hsbc Estimates
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Regulars are buzzing about a bombshell estimate from HSBC that OpenAI won't turn a profit by 2030 and is facing a staggering $207 billion shortfall. Commenters riff on the mind-boggling figure, with one suggesting it should be doubled to $500 billion, prompting a witty retort that even that's a drop in the ocean given the AI companies' burn rate. As the discussion unfolds, concerns are raised about OpenAI's ability to compete with tech giants like Google, Meta, and Microsoft, with some wondering if investors are just too invested to pull the plug. The thread feels relevant now as it shines a light on the AI industry's frenetic pace and the enormous financial stakes involved.
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"Always double the amount presented in these estimates"
This includes large construction projects, especially government run projects.
So I say 500 billion USD will be needed :)
Thanks grilledchickenw and xfour, fixed
Gemini seems to suck majorly, I don't know why (it lies a lot and doesn't follow instructions) but I've been wondering about this too for a while
I get that AI is extremely useful.
But the idea that OpenAI can 1) create a much more powerful superhuman AI and 2) also keep the way of making it secret from competitors long enough to make all the money seems doubly unlikely.
I have a hunch the hyper won’t slow down anytime soon if these groups who have the eyes and ears of the government are suggesting to go full steam ahead in the technology.
That they can shake a lot of fools' money before the eventual crash happens.
Short-term gains are great, though!
What could we have if all that massive amount of money was used in one other field. (Or many others, there is too much money to invest effectively in just one thing)
It seems to me they have realised they can continue printing money to keep stealing from us forever and nobody seems to care.
In my favorite timeline, they fork GrapheneOS and throw boatloads of money at it. Embarass the Copilot clowns at Microsoft with actually useful integrations across the experience. Built-in social networking based on decentralized tools. Poach all the folks that matter from Google and Apple. Then finally sell something that is "open" to reclaim their credibility.