Openai, Jony Ive Struggle with Technical Details on Secretive New AI Gadget
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OpenAI and Jony Ive are collaborating on a new AI gadget, but are struggling with technical details, sparking debate among HN users about the project's feasibility and potential impact.
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This device that just sits and listens all the time and interrupts ... that's nothing like I use LLMs now. That's a completely different mode of operation / my tolerance for mistakes would be near 0 with that.
It's not clear to me if an LLM can even DO these things conversationally well enough to work / not be a nuisance.
Siri might be the best example, you use it a few times, it's useless a few times and then I just use it to set timers and forget about it otherwise.
1: AirPods-linked devices go first when AirPods are present
2: closest device goes first in general
3: if there are multiple devices that could respond, and only some of them can do the requested task, one of the devices that can do the task should respond
Much as the Apple Watch, in practice, was really a good fitness tracker, and kinda pointless for everything else, the natural place for voice assistant gadgets is setting timers. I'm fairly sure that's all that 99% of Alexa users use their talking cylinder for, say.
Also, isn't this just that Humane.ai gadget? And there was another one, IIRC. They were all the rage as CES 2024 IIRC.
That sounds like a terrible idea.
It's hard to say, but I like to think that something like the iPhone always sounded like a good idea. Basically, the entire web in your pocket. Check football scores while you're on the john, text someone instead of calling, GPS, etc. There were some unknowns, like can we get touch screen to work well enough, will people pay $600 for a phone when typical phones cost $100-200 at the time. But the product itself was obviously good.
But this is some puck that records everything and periodically chimes in? Sounds awful. What problem is this trying to solve? iPhone solved the problem of camera, entertainment and phone in one device. Is anyone walking around thinking gee I wish I had some AI talk to me right now but I don't want to press a button?
So that gives you a sense for the bar for other AI interruptions. It had better be very timely and very valuable if I’m going to accept an AI interruption. That probably means the interruptions are rare in general, at least at first.
The iPhone was popular from the moment it was introduced, but people back then did not really think about it the way we do now. The biggest cheers were for a phone (one big demo was voicemail LOL), and a “widescreen iPod.” There was tepid confused applause for it as a “break-through Internet communications device.” Which is 99% of how everyone uses it today.
If they can make it remotely useful enough to allow you to record all of your conversations, that is extremely valuable to advertisers.
"Helped" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence. I'm still not sure if those these things did well because of Jony or due to Steve. What we saw from Jony after Steve (few ports, butterfly keyboard, thinness at the expense of everything else) makes me think that without a good editor (of which Altman may or may not be) Jony isn't able to create greatness on his own. I also find Jony's ventures post-Apple to be laughable and not interesting in the slightest.
> “The concept is that you should have a friend who’s a computer who isn’t your weird AI girlfriend... like [Apple’s digital voice assistant] Siri but better,”
Uh, ok, that sentence took a weird turn. I'm not sure if anyone has ever called Siri a "weird AI girlfriend", I've never seen it marketed that way or people using it that way. Now, the OpenAI API, on the other hand, has clearly helped enable whole slews of AI Girl/boyfriends. Odd dig to throw at Apple here.
I'm sure whatever they unveil will be interesting, just not clear if it will have the same fate as R1/Humane/Friend. Personally, I hope they fail based on the video they released when OpenAI first bought "io", cringe does not begin to describe it.
If they manage to pull this off (OpenAI/io) then I will, begrudgingly, have to give credit to Altman, despite not being a huge fan of him (then again, Jobs wasn't a "good guy" in many aspect of his life either).
My point being, Jony needs an editor, when he was unchecked at Apple (or his own design company "Love From") I found that much of his output came across as an exercise in smelling one’s own farts.
Maybe that's just my limited imagination, but since no one has made anything useful in this space...
Yeah I can imagine that a device which records everyone around you, all the time, struggles with that.
So… a ‘phone’ - but no screen.
Finally, someone has, er, invented the smartphone? Except without the most useful bit?
Why do people keep trying to make special-purpose LLM gadgets? What on earth is wrong with just having an app on a phone?
It could have been great for them to work on something like smart glasses, a competitor to Meta one with AI. Or a nice AI super-smart watch.
Voice is inherently linear, even the most basic voice only menus are tedious to navigate.