Neural Nets Vs. Cellular Automata
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I can see why Mordvintsev et al are up to what they are doing, but to be honest I'm struggling with understanding the point of using a neural-net to 'emulate' CAs like OP seems to be doing (and as far as I can gather, only totalistic ones too?).
It sounds a bit like swatting a fly using an H-bomb tbh, but maybe someone who knows more about the project can share some of the underlying rationale?
I suppose the idea of this project is the same: show the correspondence between both in order to understand them better.
Anyway, some interesting papers from back then:
Cellular automata as convolutional neural networks: http://arxiv.org/abs/1809.02942
Image segmentation via Cellular Automata: http://arxiv.org/abs/2008.04965
It's Hard for Neural Networks To Learn the Game of Life: http://arxiv.org/abs/2009.01398
Either way, parent comment is correct. An arbit NN is better than a CA at learning non-local rules unless the global rule can be easily described as a composition of local rules. (They still can learn any global rule though, its just harder and you run into vanishing gradient problems for very distant rules)
They are pretty cool with emergent behaviors and sometimes they generalise very well
It seems like a passion project and a niche interest by the author.
I clicked in the hope that it would tell me something about how CAs can be 'trained' and 'used' to make useful predictions somehow.
Instead, I got a neural network which is trained to predict the t+3 step of a CA based on an initial state.
Am I missing something?
IMHO this is semi interesting because having ANNs predict the outcome of deterministic dynamical systems may help with some planning tasks.