Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to Lg Tvs, and Can't Be Deleted
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The unsettling trend of "smart" devices getting smarter with invasive AI continues, as Microsoft's Copilot AI is now integrated into LG TVs - and can't be deleted. Commenters aren't thrilled, with some labeling it a "creepy tech cartel" and worrying about the implications of forced updates and potential cell modem integrations. While some suggest workarounds, like using the TV as a monitor for a Linux PC or simply opting out of having a TV altogether, others lament the loss of control and customer agency in the era of "smart" devices. As one commenter poignantly put it, "The customer service era is over."
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For how long? Eventually, it will end up like Windows login. It won't work without an online account. In the meanwhile, they will soft corece you into adopting it by using passive aggression. They will slow down the bootup to a crawl, unless you connect it online. Those times are already really bad - CRT monitors used to heat up faster.
The ultimate point is, if you have to make compromises to retain your rights, then you might as well have no rights at all. You're already well on your way there.
Had to order large tv sets at work, got LG ones. Working mostly fine as dumb displays (for some connected device, delivering the pictures and using HDMI ARC to switch on both at once) but here and there, users are put to the home menu of the LG TV if something fails and need to click through some icons to get to the HDMI input and if you dare to connect them online you get that "Update" notification, when an update is available (even when you disabled auto update).
When you remove my ability to see if a Bluetooth device is connected with a security update, why would I willingly install any more of your updates?
https://www.reddit.com/r/samsunggalaxy/comments/1kjjeqo/how_...
Though I think the 3 received the buggiest updates of any phone ever.
Right, but that's somebody elses problem a few quarters from now.
pretty much.
back in the before times, we broke up AT&T, but we don't do that anymore.
Idk what the answer is, but it is not 100% this. It’s too simple and satisfying of an answer to be true.
Make a metric a goal, work tirelessly towards that new metric.
Does it make the product better? Well, the product is already made- so it doesn’t make a difference.
It’s only software developers who think a product is never “done”- normal MBA thinking is “we have invested in R&D, now there is a product, how do we get as many users of our product as possible”.
That's all its been for the last few decades. Everyone is now "data driven" and "metrics oriented". That's a footgun - if people can game it, they will, and numbers don't say what people think they say.
this will however give them huge amounts of information... its a loss leader for them.
After that I blocked the MAC address at my router.
I know people want "dumb" displays, but the reality is that these OLED panels offer industry-leading image quality and benefit from economies of scale, where most users want some form of built-in OS. A signage board cannot compete on price or quality. As long as TV manufacturers let me run it offline without issue, I'm fine with that.
Also fwiw, you can use apps like Infuse on the Apple TV for playing your own media files over the network. No Need for USB drives, just connect direct to the shared folder.
I suspect that this won't be the case for much longer. Once you've stuffed the TV with all the ads and data harvesting you can, the logical next step is to ensure it doesn't work at all unless those ads are being watched and that data is being harvested.
They're great for sports though.
Some threads:
- https://www.reddit.com/r/appletv/comments/1azy0s9/current_st...
- https://forums.plex.tv/t/does-the-plex-app-supports-hdr10/89...
Except in scenes with fire (like a campfire) or where some spots may have high brightness compared to the surroundings. The LG OLED TVs I’ve seen all go blank in such scenes. The TVs I’ve seen that have LCD panels don’t have this issue. It seems like the only way to disable it (after turning off power saving and a few other things) is to buy and use a service remote to turn off ASBL. From my online reading, it seems like doing this may void the warranty and probably have negative effects on the life of the panel.
It just looks great all the time. Especially on scenes like you describe with a dark scene with bright highlights. Campfire scenes look great, space scenes look great.
If you're talking about ABL, I've only noticed it on ads or powerpoint lectures with fully white backgrounds, and I've been thankful for it at those times because I find all-white backgrounds too bright to watch anyway.
Then it is Apple that is harvesting your data. They may or may not display ads (I don't have an AppleTV to check), but they are certainly logging your interactions and possibly selling that data with third parties. That is on top of all the data Apple already has on people using iPhones, and the reason why I will never use anything other than a free/libre ROM like Graphene or Lineage.
They quite literally have settings to disable that. There are no ads in the operating system.
https://support.apple.com/en-au/guide/tv/atvb66239fa1/tvos
I'm sure some conspiratorial thinking would lead people to the conclusion that Apple are secretly tracking and selling data. There is no evidence to suggest this is happening.
It's probably the next best thing to setting up your own linux home theater PC. But that comes with trade-offs with UX and DRM blocking 4K streaming apps and lack of Dolby Vision playback.
Apple in their privacy policy reserves the right to use your data for ads. They aren't secretly tracking, they are telling you so.
But it's no different than Google, who also doesn't sell your data. Just mining it to target ads.
Nope. According to the privacy policy
> We provide some non-personal data to our advertisers and strategic partners that work with Apple to provide our products and services, help Apple market to customers, and sell ads on Apple’s behalf to display on the App Store and Apple News and Stocks. For example, we may share non-personal data about your transactions, viewing activity, and region, as well as aggregated user demographics such as age group and gender (which may be inferred from information such as your name and salutation in your Apple Account), to Apple TV strategic partners, such as content owners, so that they can measure the performance of their creative work, meet royalty and accounting requirements, and improve their associated products and services.
https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/en/apple-tv-app/
It's the privacy policy of the Apple TV app, not the Apple TV device.
Those aren't the only two options. There are commerical TVs (eg in hotels) that are very close to standard TVs, but with a minimal interface.
You can find people who cover these updates, such as Vincent from HDTVtest.
What I tend to do is leave my WiFi off and then occasionally turn it on and connect for firmware updates, then disable it afterward.
I've also found that on my LG OLED that a lot of the crapware doesn't even have an option to function if you just never accept the terms and conditions or un-accept them. The UI doesn't make it perfectly obvious that you can do this but you absolutely can.
This stuff is very much anti-consumer, but can generally be mitigated by vigilant settings-chasing and a willingness to ignore the TV interface and use a dedicated streaming box with essentially no ads like an Apple TV.
Sigh! These manufacturers have repeated this so many times that it is probably in their corporate subversion manual now. This is no consolation at all. They first introduce 'optional' features like this. Then they tighten the screw such that you get degraded performance if you don't use that feature. Finally they make it unavoidable. How are we missing it every time?
Haven't we seen how this evolved in the case of windows login using their 365 account? Haven't we seen how Android smartphone unlocking and custom ROM flashing got gradually more difficult over the years until we can't do that anymore?
If you rely on compromises or shortcuts out of this problem, you'll eventually find yourself without any. We need to nip this trend in the bud. Punish them with a tanked market.
Ah. So it's not "AI." It's an "opportunity to spy on every single thing you do."
It's not just LG! They keep trying to shove "a return channel" into the latest ATSC standards for DRM and "enhanced / more accurate ratings".
And most TVs these days have Bluetooth.
ATSC 3.0 also specifies a dedicated long-range return channel with a range of many kilometers.
What next, ultrasound? IR?
To the audience of this site, yeah. But "copilot" is Microsoft trying to brand "an agent/assistant". They use it across their entire product line; copilot is in office so you can ask for help with spreadsheet formulas and in outlook so you can ask for help with summary/triage... and it's in VSCode/GH.
Microsoft saw the way the USB people absolutely screwed up the marketing/branding around different generations and speeds and capabilities and said "I bet the same strategy will work spectacularly well for us" and thus _everything_ became copilot.
Because wallstreet just needs to see that AI adoption number go up. No one really cares about if it's accidental clicks, or hell just mandatory running in the background. We just need that number to go up, and next quarter it has to go up even more.
From what this article says it is an app (which fits with how it is displayed in the screenshot), which suggests you would need to choose to open it to actually have it do anything.
The LG software is horrible on this TV. Great picture quality, but I would never recommend an LG TV just because of the software.
Really wish we'd get dumb displays with these great panels :(
I’m looking to see what I would get or lose with Apple TV or some Plex/JellyFin/other player with less baggage.
Samsung is already preloading intelligence service software and "365 copilot" into their phones to trick old people into paying for a subscription to open a PDF (it sets itself as a default app).
At this point it's a war against the consumer.
And it's not just this, they are slowly phasing out consumer hardware (GPU price increase, RAM, non NVME SSDs, etc.) in an effort to make hardware ownership impossible thus creating a "Market" for the post bubble burst of AI where they will be renting out PC hardware.
This is US led and also conveniently both the US and South Korea are involved, as they shut down China (both GPUs and RAM manufacturers in China were blacklisted).
It's not a coincidence, I Imagine the threats of potential tariffs if they do not comply does not help with their "independent thinking".
So, I disconnected the TV from the internet, uninstalled the app, and bought an Apple TV 3rd gen. LG TV quality is great but their software is unbearable.
https://plasma-bigscreen.org/
If not, there are some webOS exploits on this wiki page:
https://wiki.debian.org/Exploits
Hopefully the Vizio lawsuit will mean the right to repair software comes to TVs more easily.
https://sfconservancy.org/copyleft-compliance/vizio.html
You make it sound like it's almost a crime not to.
> Major changes in Android 16
> Battery icons are changed to landscape, with the percentage shown inside the icon
Hooking up an Apple TV 4K to this thing was the best decision I ever made and the sheer performance of this thing puts every TV vendor to shame. I would recommend everyone to do the same if they're already in the Apple ecosystem.
Also most tvs have usb ports so maybe either raw media or some third part dongle can service as well?
Also also, most tvs of this caliber have hdmi you can plug your computer to.
But I got a newer LG model 2 years ago, I was still redirecting requests to LG's servers to a local web server (using DNS), but I guess due to https, the certificate checks failed and the attempts to call home failed. This meant that I never got asked to agree to the T&As.
But of course many apps don't work..
All TV software seems appears to be an absolute fucking scam.
I thought this is already common wisdom for people in tech for decades to NEVER connect your TV to the internet, not even once.
I work in automotive, the hoops you have to jump through in order to push a SW update are enormous. One of the first rules is: if the owner of the vehicle does not consent to an OTA update, you're out of luck.
The industry is obviously unable to self-regulate, so it is time for an external regulator, e.g. the EU, to jump in and mandate that SW updates cannot be applied without explicit consent and an explicit explanation of what is being changed. Of course, security updates must be maintained separately from feature updates like this.
As a consumer, I always want the latter, rarely do I want the former. My device, my choice.
I don't want this "predatory practice" to end, because that's how i get my dirt cheap massive screens.
And all you have to do is to stop connecting them darned things to the internet.
It's not that hard, i'm telling you!
I'm pretty sure they're working on solving that problem.
Car manufacturers also do similar things (onboard 4G/5G modem), and one solution (other than driving an old car) is to disconnect the cellular modem. Of course the issue is that few people know there is one in their cars in the first place, so they are unknowingly snooped on.
I only wish my systems to defecate its corpse soon.
lgsmartad.com
recommend.lgtvcommon.com
I hate people inserting stuff into my menu.
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