Men Who Mean Just What They Say
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The songwriter wouldn’t have faulted a Green Beret for being optimistic in the face of risk, and maybe even failing sometimes. The message really was their whole being was invested in that timeline and making it happen, and you could be sure they would spend blood sweat and tears to give meaning to their words.
Any number of things could have prevented Kennedy's "go to the moon" promises from being pushed into the next decade. That wouldn't have retroactively made him a liar. (Other things like marital fidelity might have, but not the moon one.)
I would love to see more of a high-trust integrity culture in business and politics. But Wall St and MBA ethics are diametrically opposed to that.
Personally, I wouldn't trust a Green Beret CEO more than I'd trust any other founder.
I believe in most ways you are correct, but in REAL life: it's complicated. Crime does often pay. Cheaters sometimes win. Known liars can gain cultlike followers.
I will expose it, of course, as far and wide and immediately as possible.
Lots of people lie multiple times without their lies being exposed. Sometimes because they are good at lying, sometimes because they are good at picking targets that are bad at detecting lies, sometimes because they are lucky, sometimes because they have accomplices protecting the lies, sometimes a combination of multiple of those factors.
> There is a lot more to be earned in the long term by staying honest.
In the long term, we are all dead; all differences in material outcomes are short term; and while it would be nice if optimally moral behavior (including honesty) were also the optimal behavior for personal benefit, that’s not usually the case, and the myth that it is, among other adverse consequences, reinforces the cognitive bias where people give additional credence to the successful by associating success with trustworthiness.
What a crappy worldview that is, and while it may have been true in the past, times have changed, and it no longer is the case. People can and will expose and report fraud rather immediately. Of course if one is demented or just not interested in fact-finding, then it makes no difference. Whether choosing to seek truth or ignore it, either way it is a choice.
Let me sum it up by saying that those who reject the truth have far shorter lives than those who accept it. So, yes, the ones disinterested in it will be dead sooner, and in this way they have more to gain from being a part of the lie.
If you don't think plenty of liars get away with repeatedly lying to the same people, then you aren't paying much attention to the real world around you.
Yes, some people will notice that they have been lied to the first time, and some of them will report it if that is something along the lines of fraud.
> Let me sum it up by saying that those who reject the truth have far shorter lives than those who accept it.
Even if that is true, that’s a very different thing. "Lying" and "rejecting the truth" are not the same thing.
To reject the truth is to lie to oneself.
Usually, not always.
Those whose self-lies make them confident in their decisions, have a bias towards taking risks that they don't even realise are risks, and that absolutely can pay off massively — see e.g. every lottery winner. Such confidence is also a way to get public support, and directly cause success, seen with various (but not all) politicians.
Sadly, I think the world has moved in the opposite direction.
I must assume that honesty was very important in the ancient world, in order for it to be listed in the Ten Commandments.
Today? Today I'm on a shared network with more humans than there are heartbeats in a lifetime. Even if a fraudster used their real names and not a fake ID, even when they're in the same country and it's not an international scam, even when a fraudster does time in prison, even when you're sure the fraud database itself isn't being gamed (e.g. getting legal threats for libel from listed real fraudsters, or the actual literal president uses their executive powers to pardon them), there's too many other people with the same names to just rely on looking everyone up.
Perhaps some people were more naive, though?
I was just reading Meditations and in 8.44 he reminds us that future generations will be no different than the contemporary one...
I have found that Quakers are just as fallible as anyone else; but the subset of Quakers who really live that tenet have an unnerving and extremely peaceful unflinching willingness to comment or question on problems in a way that removes the smokescreens of social obligations. I've found it far easier to talk about anything involving money, feelings, sex, danger, beliefs, crime, fear, etc. with those individuals who have really committed their lives to only let truth come out of their mouth (even if they don't always succeed).
I'm sure we all met that person in the family or in a new job, or at school being so proud of themselves for being "honest", and later on you discover that their honesty is not honesty, it's just "saying whatever crosses their mind unfiltered".
This is why so much of totalitarianism is about getting men to repeat lies. Or why those check boxes 'I have read and understood the terms and conditions' are harmful.
but I do find it draining to placate people, and largely irrelevant. as a founder when you have customers, clients, vendors, employees, other executives, board, and investors all with competing needs, that's the worst for me. at higher roles within someone else's organization it's even worse because you can get chewed out and be subject to these toxic relationships that actually affect your life. a founder with capital is just kind of annoyed but insulated from immediate consequence of paying down a debt or food and shelter.
outside of work, interpersonally, it's a friction only when around people with a different value system than you. I've moved around a lot and in some areas its like that, and I've "increased my emotional intelligence" more to accommodate but it is a breath of fresh air when a partner or friend is more reality oriented.
I have learned from these sycophantic LLMs and have adopted my language to be more similar, more affirmations even when my subsequent response is completely contradictory. "Good question!" "That's a very representative observation! I haven't seen anything to support that, you picked up on an important undercurrent"
now that I know it's all about engagement, based on how LLM's have been received and why, no other rigid framework is necessary
its important for me to know what reality is, so I prefer not to lie or omit because I want others to give me their objective reality, but its not as important
> Perhaps it is also a testament to our incredibly deeply social nature that the highest praise of a man might in fact not be his prowess and ability to survive on an animal level, his ability to kill or run or calculate, but rather his ability to speak, and to do so in a way which accurately reflects the disposition of his soul, even if doing so risks the alienation of the person he speaks to or incurs obligations on himself which might be difficult to fulfill
Can we now acknowledge the harm the Bay Area communication style has done to our industry? This performative "kindness" cant you're supposed to adopt, this kayfabe of epistemic uncertainty, this "shit sandwich" feedback style, the obfuscation of orders as questions and of questions as musings --- it's exhausting. It's dishonest. It gets in the way of making good technology.
It also privileges a certain in-group undeservedly. The San Francisco Performative Niceness Lilt functions as a shibboleth. It comes more naturally to some than others, especially those who grew up far from Stanford's arches and palm trees. Much of the world, and much of the West, rewards a communication style much more in line with this "men who mean just what they say" essay, and it's about time the tech industry stop rewarding indirection-based word games.
One commonality among all of those teachers is that decade(s) later, it seems that they are mostly the same person, beliefs-wise and character-wise. It appeared that they had hit a point in their life where they "figured it out", and anchored themselves on that point. I put the phrase in quotes, because as an adult, I know the statement is superficial now, but that it certainly how it seemed when I was younger.
Circling back to the post: in my own lived experience, "Men who mean what they say" became that way not necessarily through the sole virtue of honesty, but by guiding themselves using the same set of virtues (honesty included) for large portions of their life. It was very easy to understand what mattered to them and what they believed in, and as an adult at the end of my 20s, it is clear to me that should I want to become the person my younger self aspired to be, following in my teachers' example means making an increasing percent of my actions reflect the virtues that matter the most to me.
But it is a learned process, not one necessarily passed down through merely being a person who has learned that lying is bad. By learning to practice actions which reflect your virtues, you also learn how to avoid shallower "means-justify-the-ends" behavior (e.g. is it more important to NEVER tell a lie, even if speaking only in facts you know to be true creates more harm?)
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