Man Who Threw Sandwich at Us Border Agent Not Guilty of Assault
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A man was acquitted of assault for throwing a sandwich at a US border agent, sparking debate about the use of force and the role of law enforcement.
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God, how horrifying. Maybe with time and intensive therapy he'll eventually be able to heal.
I would say Gregory Lairmore is a po' boy full of shit.
Now that's a sandwich-in-the-face worthy of getting worked up about!
edit: one too many words
This "attack" was about as close to non-violent protest as you can get. Taking someone to court was only done because the ICE kidnapper had his fee fees hurt.
Why is the state so special? The USA's foundational value is individual liberty, not state authority.
I'll do you a favor, let's broaden the search criteria. Can you provide a single example of a cop anywhere being unable to arrest a criminal because a bystander threw a sandwich at them?
Each person is entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and governments exist (not to exercise the collective will but) to protect those rights.
Cops absolutely should be held to higher standards (I find cops transgressing being done for common assault, rather than like abuse of office, appalling).
At the same time, a cop on duty is inviolable, unless you're really sure he's transgressing (which this one was not).
Infringement of what?
> You can't allow anything getting thrown at cops on duty without repercussions.
You absolutely can, and of the thing involved was neither intended to—nor raised reasonable fear of, nor did, nor had any meaningful likelihood to—cause injury to the officer, I can’t see any overwhelming reason you shouldn’t, either.
I suppose I could see a case for civil liability for reasonable and necessary cleaning costs directly attributable to the sandwich, but beyond that...
When an officer attempts to murder a civilian, they should face attempted murder charges. When an officer kills a pet, he should face a destruction of property charge.
Unfortunately this rarely happens.
Anyone should be able to exercise their human rights and resists so-called officers of the law where possible up to and including deadly force.
I think you are way overstating it. It's hard to imagine society without police, and I've encountered many good, effective police.
> there are two classes of people, civilians and military -- they're not military
???!!!! Do you think people in the military have different or special rights?
Agreed, and that's not what we have. We have an overly aggressive, fearful, and self-protective/self-interested police force. Not one for the 'good of the people'.
> Do you think people in the military have different or special rights?
Yes, there are two classes of people in the US -- civilians and military. You're one of two, not that individuals in the military can violate civilian law, but they're beholden to their own laws (UCMJ) separate from civilians. Along with limits on their rights that they would otherwise have under the US Constitution.
Where do you get that?
> they're beholden to their own laws (UCMJ) separate from civilians
People in the US military have the same obligations as everyone else to the laws of the federal, state, and local governments where they are.
Stockbrokers are subject to SEC regulations; lawyers are subject to legal rules, such as attorney-client privelege, etc. That doesn't make them separate classes of people.
UCMJ doesn't apply to any civilian. SEC rules, etc. apply to all civilians whether or not you're engaged in SEC-related activity.
There are professional rules that do not apply to non-professionals, including SEC rules. For example, lawyers can't give advice in many situations - their free speech is curtailed. Doctors and other healthcare professionals, in some places, are excluded from the 'good Samaritan' exception to injuring someone (i.e., if you find someone injured and try to help, and accidentally cause more harm, you can't be prosecuted).
For giving legal advice, that's mostly backwards (in most US jurisdictions); its generally illegal for anyone other than a licensed lawyer to do what is legally considered giving legal advice (this is one of many things that constitutes unauthorized practice of law), whereas for a lawyer they are allowed to within certain ethical bounds.
People give legal advice on HN all the time, for example; lawyers on HN have to say 'but none of this should be construed as legal advice', etc.
Non-lawyers can't charge for legal advice, but they love to give it!
False. It applies “In time of declared war or a contingency operation” to civilians “serving with or accompanying an armed force in the field”, 10 USC § 802(a)(10). This was one of several “gap-filling” changes to US federal law adopted to address problems with effectively holding contractors and others associated with the military accountable for crimes overseas in the '00s (among the others was the Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act of 2000, which extended federal civilian criminal jurisdiction over certain offenses committed outside the United States that did not previously have extraterritorial application, when the offender was either a civilian accompanying the US military in certain capacities or a former military member subject to the UCMJ at the time of the act but not at the time of prosecution.)
See, related, this DoD memo (hosted at DoJ) on the subject: https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/criminal-hrsp/le...
I recommend this excerpt from an excellent book (which I also recommend if you find the article interesting)
https://www.vice.com/en/article/end-of-policing-book-extract...
You don't bump them, you attack their fists and clubs with the softer parts of your body.
By this standard most of the sports player in the nation should be indicted.
Good news we unanimously rejected it
[0] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/indict_a_ham_sandwich
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Wachtler
[2] https://history.nycourts.gov/biography/sol-wachtler/
[3] https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/a-grand-jury-would-indict-...
This was filed as a misdemeanor case, because federal felonies require a grand jury indictment, and the grand jury declined to indict when the prosecutor tried to bring felony charges.
To be fair, they only tried to charge the thrower, and not the sandwich, so maybe the old saying might have held up with the right defendant here.
(For those outside the US: being called to serve on a jury is a surprisingly frequent event for Americans, and can be very powerful civil act, though a time-consuming and costly one).
The jury determined that the launching of the 12-inch deli sandwich from what the government described as “point-blank range” was not an attempt to cause bodily injury, preventing a conviction.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/06/us/politics/trump-sandwic...
"The jury determined that the launching of the 12-inch deli sandwich ... was not an attempt to cause bodily injury, preventing a conviction."
It seems like that couldn't have taken seven hours by itself.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/06/us/politics/trump-sandwic...
This never should have been anything more than something in roughly the same legal realm as a parking ticket, for that if no other reason. Instead, probably a thousand-plus person hours and god knows how much money were wasted to use the process itself as punishment... over a thrown sandwich.
What we have is a case of jury nullification, where a jury recognized the crime and decided not to convict. This is probably fine with the prosecution though, as the real punishment was holding him in jail, getting him fired, and wasting his life savings defending this case.
> This is probably fine with the prosecution
It's an embarrassment, so not at all fine. I doubt anyone is deterred. I wonder if we'll see copycat 'assaults' - I'm surprised we haven't.
He's fairly lucky he doesn't have a criminal record, but it didn't come without consequences. I think the fact that the sandwich was still wrapped on the ground, hit the officer's shoulder, that the other police at the time were visibly amused during the incident, and clearly joking about it for several days after as well with the officer who had it happen to him, showed that the incident wasn't serious enough to ruin anyone's life over. A formal criminal conviction in the US would've made it hard for him to get employment for some time, if not the rest of his life.
While it probably won't be with DoJ again (at least under this Administration), I don't think he's going to have much problem finding a job. Being associated with "this incident" I don't think is the kind of universal black mark you seem to think it is.
It's possible he regrets it, but I wouldn't be sure at all. It could be the proudest moment of his life. He could have PTSD. There are many possibilities.
I expect there will be some interviews soon ...
Perhaps they wanted to have sandwiches for lunch (or to throw at each other[0]) while deliberating, so they took their time?
[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBXFTksOxr0
That it was a simple question doesn’t mean that the jury was initially unanimous on the answer,
You mean, if they say that with the intent of helping you? I doubt that's assault.
In this specific case we are discussing, he actually was charged with (and acquitted of) a violation of the provision you reference 18 USC § 111, which is a misdemeanor when done by simple assault [0], after the US Attorney failed to convince a grand jury to indict for a felony violation.
[0] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/111
It almost sounded like a post hoc rationalization, to make an outburt sound clever and intentional. Likely a stressful situtation to put yourself in.
Not for me, but it would be a blow to my reputation and might cost a relationship with the vendor (depending on the dollar value to the vendor). And I'd be very embarrassed.
Or was it meant to be a reply to someone else's comment and would make more sense in that context?
I'm trying to shift thinking outside the emotionally charged perspective of the event.
I'm not the person that you're replying to but I'll give it a shot.
> I'm trying to shift thinking outside the emotionally charged perspective of the event.
The re-framing suggests there is no qualitative difference between an employee throwing a sandwich at a representative of a service provider hired by their employer and a protester throwing a sandwich at law enforcement. The differences seem obvious but I have to assume you believe there is none: if they are different, the question is not relevant. So why ask the question? Perhaps a more direct question could be why do you think the two scenarios are so comparable?
And where's the kosher salt?
Where's the fine-chopped rosemary leaves
to be a flavor catapult?
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Isn't there some olive oil and sliced provolone cheese?
Slice up a large tomato
And a bell pepper that's been peeled
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I need a hero, I'm holding out for a hero to snack on at night
It's gotta be long, and it's gotta be fast, and it's gotta be freshly on-site
To put a finer point on it, he was charged because the current administration wants to chill protest against their undemocratic (small 'd') and unlawful activities. In fact, that was the point of deploying ICE/National Guard/etc. to cities in the first place -- to sow fear and limit freedom of expression/assembly.
Though there could be a terminology difference between countries - maybe in America, assault requires intent to injure? In other countries it can be any unwanted physical contact. Looks like that's called "battery" in America. So yea I probably meant battery.
My hypothesis is that people generally feel that police face little to no accountability and so there is a more serious double standard to contend with.
If a 90 year old person with a cane threw a sandwich at a 6'3" 250 pound professional athelete, everyone would check if the 90 year old was ok. Vice versa, and there would be a lot of anger and an arrest.
The state's law enforcement, with weapons, training, ballistic vests and helmets, etc. is the ultimate power. You can't do bodily injury to them, but minor contact and sandwiches are usually not taken seriously.
People ask the same question about situations where there is discrimination - is it a double-standard? They are forgetting about relative power: If someone is in a group that is threatened - e.g., an Auburn fan in a large crowd of rowdy, drunk Alabama fans (Auburn and Alabama are arch-rivals) - then an Alabama fan saying something threatening is a real threat, a real danger. If the Auburn fan says something threatening to the 100 Alabama fans around them, it doesn't represent anything; it's almost funny.
The equation is,
…by twelve hangry men.
(Stolen from Fark)
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