Grok 2.5 Is Now Open Source. Grok 3 Will Be Open Source in About 6 Months
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Elon Musk announces Grok 2.5 is open source, but commenters dispute this due to restrictive licensing, and question the value of releasing an old model.
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https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/status/1959379349322313920
- Not open "source" because source isn't available
- Not "open" weights because there are restrictions on use
This model is weights-available. There's nothing open about it.
On the other none of the big-name US labs released their old models, even when obsolete, like gpt 3.5 or claude pre-3.5. All we got are some unusable safetyslop like openai OSS that was worse than existing comparable chinese models on the day they released. Google’s gemma was slightly better, but also hardly exciting.
So… go Elon? It’s not much but it’s something, and who knows, maybe it’ll somehow percolate into other companies to release something that is actually good.
The license is pretty hostile, though.
Hasn't Meta been releasing their models?
Open weight models are still useful to extract knowledge from. With much lower cost compared to hitting the API
Also, assuming they continue to release their old models, I suppose this could be used to get more insight on what caused the MechaHitler incident.
Grok is bad for the world. xAI’s data center is producing a huge amount of pollution in Memphis [0]. Additionally, Elon Musk’s attempts to create an AI that is not “woke” have led to it spewing far-right conspiracy theories [1], although generally for short periods of time before fixes are released.
[0]: https://www.selc.org/news/resistance-against-elon-musks-xai-...
[1]: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/may/14/elon-musk...
OpenAI is "Don't say boobs, some conservative investor might take offence!" Grok is: "Don't say gay, but Hitler is okay"
Both are pretty crap in daily use. Sexuality is a part of life, if you use an AI personally you can't really do without. For work it's ok and that's probably why GPT-5 is so corporate. Useless for personal use.
Grok is useless for me as I'm very pro lgbt and anti nazi.
So yeah what do I use now? Llama3.1 abliterated.
Unfortunately a lot of newer models like phi are trained on synthetic data which is much harder to uncensor because they've never seen any data their makers consider questionable. And those things are very polarised as is American society.
What we need here in Europe is a different mix. Sexual topics (18+ obviously) yes, discrimination no, lgbt yes, fascism no. Maybe mistral can deliver that.