Freeway Guardrails Are Now a Favorite Target of Thieves
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Theft of freeway guardrails made of aluminum is on the rise, with the state transportation agency spending over $62,000 on repairs in two years, sparking discussions on the root causes of metal theft and its relation to poverty and societal issues.
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What is interesting is that this has been ramping up just in the last couple of years. Some of the brass has been out in public for decades but is only now getting stolen hand over fist. I wonder what the impetus has been these days that wasn’t there in the past?
It would seem like sitting on a large inventory of scrap metal would be a dumb way to run a "drug house".
https://www.stihlusa.com/products/cut-off-machines/battery-c...
(no affiliation, I just like the tool)
There’s a pic of the result of our handiwork on Airliners.net, I have much cooler and closer pictures with sparks flying and non-OSHA approved crane rigging being employed that I unfortunately cannot share, but yes, hot knife through butter described it.
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled-United-Airlines/Boe...
In the EU they make hard-disk manufacturers pay tax for the inevitable copyright theft. I think that's nonsensical but I daydream of having that for makers of these things (and glass bottles).
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-01-05/historic...
Fentanyl and cheap battery powered tools
And as much as that is an issue in itself, gotta love the scrap metal dealers who see someone show up with a shopping trolley full of brass hydrant covers and "sure, no problem here".
When it comes to a lot of metals it is kind of amazing how some of the biggest mines of this stuff are some of the oldest. It makes sense as we go for the low hanging fruit first and they are the biggest deposits.
Alas, as an aggregate, the ratio of overburden on mining has been going up for almost a century now and it is starting to catch up in some materials. Copper, nickle being a big two. Iron... not so much. So far we have managed to 'Red queen' ourselves out of the situation by throwing massive amount of resources (mostly energy), but one does wonder what happens if we even hit an energy plateau. Many have speculated, most are wrong, time will tell.
Also: I try to always separate any metals from our household trash stream that would not be accepted by the municipal recycling program. I store it up in a box and put it on the curb when it's full.(usually just aluminum, iron, and steel.) It disappears within 12 hours every time. I wish more people would do the same.
Occasionally, it would look like some scavenger had come along before me, and cut the connectors off computer cables, and took only the cable. Not even cut the cable off an appliance to which it was attached, but simply a cable with connectors on both ends.
For example, one time it was for a complete vintage Mac setup, which someone had taken some care to set out with all the required items... but the cables were missing; only their cut-off connectors were there.
One time, I actually saw a/the person doing this. He looked just like a comfortable gray-haired engineer, calmly standing on the sidewalk with a heavy wire cutter, snipping the connectors off a computer cable someone had set out on the curb. I was so surprised, that I didn't say anything to him.
I've done this in the past few years for a broken fan, blender, immersion circulator, vacuum, wireless charging pad, and probably some other items I'm forgetting. (For whatever reason, I tend to be lucky that things tend to break slightly before the warranty is up.)
Are you sure that's not it? Why are you even assuming the items are functional? Most broken items still look fine, they just don't work properly.
Well, I'm not certain, but there are plenty of comments about it in local hard rubbish groups.
>Why are you even assuming the items are functional?
Obviously I can't know for sure, but I have seen cases where someone has put out a fridge with a note saying "Free - it works! :)" and...cord is cut. etc.
>Over the last two years, the state transportation agency has spent more than $62,000 on repairs related to guardrail theft in the region.
If the full cost of replacement is ~$31k/yr, the scrap value of the stolen guardrails is surely far less. Seems like there wouldn't be enough for even a single thief to make a living.
Its the same thing with catalytic converters. The crackhead stealing a catalytic converter from a 2011 prius is interested in the $150-$350 of platinum in the catalytic converter, not the $2200+labor replacement cost of the thing. Considering that its ~20 minutes looking, and ~2 minutes sawing to steal the thing, we should all be so lucky as to make $150-$350 for less than 30 minutes' work.
When I was in Central America people would steal windshields from cars left outside at night. New replacements were very expensive because of import taxes but you could just go to the nearest shady shop and what do you know, they just happen to have a used one for your car in stock!
Because there are federal laws against selling for re-use and installing used emissions parts[1] and there are federal laws that make the remanufacturing operation you'd need to make "new cats" less profitable than shipping the used stuff overseas and doing it there.
So in my case, it was especially egregious (seriously, people have been petitioning Toyota for decades to recall Priuses to make the cat harder to steal), but in general, if you’ve got the OK to sell exhausts in California, you’re not going to endanger it by coming anywhere close to an illegal platinum/palladium fencing operation.
A second hand iPhone is only worth a few tens of dollars on the black market, but that's enough for the next hit.
or, is it just because apple is a jerk and wants all repairs to be done by apple?
It's not like the users are really losing anything by wiping and removing activation lock, the phone is already stolen, so it often works
I have no idea how none of them have died yet, as frequently as this seems to occur.
I guess the problem would be stepping it back down inside the car to match the battery voltage, which is an AC endeavor, at which point it might as well just be AC grid power delivered to the car (albeit high/primary voltage, not residential/secondary voltage), and we're back to the car having enormous equipment on board that ought to be stationed, so no.
Though in many of these cases the cables are not actually stolen. People just cut them off and throw them in the bushes or don't even bother moving them. In those cases the motivation is obviously anti-EV vandalism.
Instead of a cable, an electric bolt of air-cooled plasma wirelessly charges the car.
(/s)
It's just that property crimes are not prosecuted around here. So there's no downside for thieves.
You’d be better off replacing the charger cables, in my best estimation.
AFAIK you can’t charge a battery with AC current, you’d need an inverter onboard the vehicle to convert to DC.
To make matters worse: I also took that whole lot offline one cursed evening not that long afterwards just before a tradeshow. Not my best moment. To put it mildly.
At its peak it was happening every single month, but slowed after it started catching press.
Drop long prison sentences and massive fines on these people, and this problem would vanish in short order.
Fines, sure. But "long prison sentences"?
> this problem would vanish in short order.
Anyway that's worked well for drug abuse/sales, so it should probably work here too
Same with pawn shops.
Isn't America experiencing absurd amounts of petty theft right now? Maybe pawn shops are no longer in the equation (doubtful, though. Any data on this?) but did it actually help alleviate the problem?
As for the opioid crisis... well, I don't want to open up that can of worms.
What you can do is make it illegal to buy particular materials, and then the intent to break that law becomes obvious.
You must show identification when selling scrap metal, and the scrapyard must record that for a period.
It would be cheaper all round to add a $100 yearly registration fee to every scrapyard, rather than give them an extra compliance burden.
According to https://laist.com/news/criminal-justice/la-city-council-copp... :
> In the [2023] fiscal year, that number skyrocket to a staggering 6,842 cases, with repair costs exceeding well over $20 million.
In addition to basically no consequences for US police breaking the law, there are actually zero consequences to them not doing their jobs.
now the tweakers sell directly to scrappers with a business license, that take a 25-50% cut.
(And yes, I’m from a third world country lol)
Soon enough a backhoe will magically appear to sever your buried fiber.
This trick works great if you ever get lost. They say a master network admin always carries 6ft of fiber optic just for this reason.
http://geographylists.com/list21n.html
> The next step the agency is considering is using fiberglass composite instead of aluminum to construct guard rails “to remove the value to the thieves.”
About a year back here in Australia, so a wealthy country, my local council had the issue where over night, 500 meters of copper water pipe was stolen over night. Have to admit I was kind of impressed at the scale of it.
What I did find interesting in OP's article was the mention of the US Tariffs. I didn't create the problem but it certainly will accelerate it. Interesting times.
Related: I recently had a few hundred lbs of clean galvanized steel to dispose of and looked into selling to scrap yard. I would have spent more on gas, one way, taking it up there than I’d have gotten for it. Luckily my local recycling yard (2-3mi away) was happy to take it for free. Ironically, I also took a few half-full trash bags of AL cans and got ~$35 for them.
so more deposit than recycling for metal.
Galvanized steel would increase the hazard by having a higher likelihood of piercing through the shell of the vehicle and striking the passengers than the softer and more bendy aluminum would. It also corrodes over time, so barring an accident aluminum despite its higher initial cost is a better choice of material for guardrails.
Tradeoff is that they would need to make the fines for recyclers so onerous that they would knowingly never accept guardrail material since the only truly effective deterrent is removing the profit motive.
Steel has some superior properties with regard to tearing/bending so you can actually make "softer" barriers out of it if that's what you're going for.
I'd be interested to see what the alleged reason for this is.
They seem to be very expensive.
On one occasion a young man attemping to do so received a discharge that literally changed his skin color and pulverized his clothes. He was able to survive only a few hours as it turned out most of his organs suffered severe burns.
People wouldn't believe that after that he was still able to walk and talk normally until emergency services arrived.
While I know that's not what you meant, it sounds like he was fine until emergency services decided to teach him a lesson ;)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/06/georgian-woman...
This is how you turn dollars into pennies. It suggests society is a bit broken if this seems a worthwhile thing to do.
Sure, big cities have problems in bad economic times with metal theft, but when every crook is out to steal catalytic converters from cars at people's homes, that's pretty bad.
Macroeconomic and microeconomic cannibalism are further signs of a trend towards decay and decline. Oh and school shootings and mass shootings. And a lack of functional, universal healthcare. It will take far more, like the garbage not being picked up, for major reforms, but it will also take a charismatic leader really on the side of the ordinary people for that to manifest. Another "FDR".
Nobody can take a fascism joke these days. For some reason.
The you can send the copper thieves to work in the copper mines. That’s killing two birds with one stone right there!
According to the article, metal prices are now artificially high, so this sort of crime is more attractive.
I’m worried about what happens if we don’t get another FDR (this is one of the premises of The Man in the High Castle, which is likely to age better than most sci fi TV series).
FDR’s New Deal saved the entire planet from a descent into Nazism and Japanese imperial rule, and also set the stage for the scientific and economic advances in the post war period (including the moon landing, internet, etc, etc).
Also, I'm an FDR fanboy but I still think it's rather a stretch to pretend he single handedly won WWII (or even that he single handedly defeated the great depression).
It’s hard to see how the isolationist macroeconomic geniuses that created the Great Depression would have built a war machine that could have won the war.
I doubt they would have wanted to. It’s more likely that, like the Bush family, they were supporting Hitler behind the scenes during the war.
That crowd’s running the US today. We need another FDR.
Not too much later, is when you get 'National Day' or Labor day, as opposition to international workers day, or May 1.
FDR was just a moderate capitalist. But still a capitalist. Money/power gets more money/power.
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The capitalists barely were able to hold their nose to what he did to stop the rich from being eaten alive, but they knew what the alternative looked like.
Because of this, the socialists and communists, et. al. couldn’t get enough momentum to ‘win’ an argument form a coherent group and mostly just fought among themselves, and FDR was able to salve the hurt lower classes with enough give aways they mostly lost steam.
But the business groups got totally reamed in the process.
The Hugo award winning book it's based on is much better.
> FDR’s New Deal saved the entire planet from a descent into Nazism and Japanese imperial rule
The 'New Deal' saved the US from internal revolution; Huey Long. Nazism was doomed when Hitler invaded Russia, declaring war on America was just the nail in the coffin.
But also they were doomed before the Russian invasion since they were out of oil - isn't that what triggered the invasion in the first place?
Didn't they were receiving oil (and other raw materials) from the URSS beforehand?
edit: found a figure on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_economic...
I don't know if that'd cover the war needs in oil of Germany, but once they had started a war with the soviet, they had no choice but to try to get to the Caucasus for the oil.
May Day comes from the 1886 Haymarket massacre in Chicago, and Labor Day was the petty rescheduling of it by another one of the worst POTUSes who obeyed the business lobby in advanced: Grover Cleveland.
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