Europol Said Chatcontrol Doesn't Go Far Enough; They Want to Retain Data Forever

What if your house get robbed? I'm quite fond of law enforcement actually, and I enjoy living in a safe country.

Actually I think that that's even a fallacy. More data means more stuff to sift through, more false leads in there, more things to follow up. Watch an episode of House M.D. about full-body-scans in medicine: useless, because only wasted time to follow up on every blotch in the scan.

I don't like Chat Control and I believe privacy should be guaranteed, but Europol seems quite relevant in this matter.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/uk-spy-base-g...

Yep thats def true, thats 100% the real reason and only purpose of the largest domestic agency

To me, the US have way to much influence, and it's destroying us.

Its NGOs would never have qualified as NGO here (Thorn is only an example), yet we let them lobby as if they weren't weird, dark money adjacent groups. Worst, the Atlas network and all its foundations/schools are definitely culturally USian, yet they try (and succeed) in redefining Europe culture (the 'please think about the children' is definitely from there) and importing US culture wars we never cared about until the late 2000s. Europe and the EU is slowly turning into the US, our governments allow it, and I think that we should pump the brakes, fast.

I like the US, I like people there, but I don't want my country to become a satellite of the US.

One of my favorite random topic discussion places was /r/hungary, my country of origin's subreddit. In 2015, at the height of immigration "crisis", we had very good discussions about the whole topic, even when most Hungarians were, and are clearly racists, and we had very differing views. We discussed pros and cons, we pushed statistics here and there. And we weren't assholes with each others. Even when we were at different places on the political spectrum. And generally every topic could be discussed, without real retorsion.

In 2018, the number of people who has only faith and nothing else increased. That was the first time when, it started to bug me.

In 2020, the number of fake information about COVID, was already about 50-50 with real information. Simple facts which were against their faith were tolerated rarely. For some reason, I still thought that it's just an ephemeral thing, because they're afraid. I was wrong. Oh god, I was very-very wrong. For most people, this was the trigger to go into full unsubstantiated conspiracy theory field.

In 2022, the sub clearly started to be controlled by political parties. There were several obviously paid accounts by several parties.

Nowadays, it's fully controlled by a political party. Dissenting views are barely tolerated. And basically all views are based on faith, and faith alone. There is no - not just sensible, but simply - discussions anymore. Whoever wants to discuss Hungarian affairs sensibly, long left that place.

I've seen the same thing regarding my friends, and people who I followed on Twitter. Most of us just left public spaces all together. We don't follow news anymore that closely either. And who do, slowly go into a very dark place. One of my friends started with "classical liberalism". Nowadays, outspoken Nazi. One other was afraid of COVID, and started to share bullshit D-Vitamin spam blog posts. Nowadays, he's full blown antivax. Another, was deep into depression, after the amount of alt-right bullshit he consumed. Luckily, he got out from there, but there were times when I thought that I lost him. My mom doesn't know what's happening in the country where she lives. My dad knows, follows the news, and he's halfway into depression for the past years. And there are those people who I followed on Twitter, because they argued sensibly. They are either not there anymore, or slowly their fact based opinions were replaced by faith. They maybe still on the "right" "side", but it's more rarely a conscious decision. It's only a matter of time before they will slip, and even now sensible discussions are impossible with them.

I don't know what good solutions there are. I hate that I'm turning more, and more inwards, creating a bubble again, after I forcefully cut it open completely about 15 years ago. But unfortunately, it's worth less and less to read random people's opinion... or at least what many try to sell as opinion.

These are words from people who have a seat at the table in negotiating this attempt at getting chat control through. If they don’t manage it this time, don’t be surprised if the things described are in the next try, and then people will be looking for something else to call sensationalised.

And the name was known but redacted before releasing the information to the journalists

The meeting in which it was said involved the europol executive director at the time

They can't by law apply coercive measures today, and its staff cannot execute investigative measures today.

There are ample evidence of EU expanding authority beyond the original charter, from common market project into a political union with broad competences.

This is supposed to change with the ProtectEU plan. Europol would become an FBI equivalent.