Europeans' Health Data Sold to Us Firm Run by Ex-Israeli Spies
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A bombshell report reveals that Europeans' health data has been sold to a US firm run by former Israeli spies, sparking a heated debate about Israel's role in the surveillance industry. Commenters are divided, with some accusing Israel of being a hub for malicious activities, while others point out that criticizing Israel often leads to accusations of anti-Semitism. As the discussion unfolds, a consensus emerges that Israel's reputation is at stake, particularly as its actions become more widely known to younger generations. The thread is abuzz with concerns about the implications of Israel's surveillance activities and the potential consequences of its PR woes.
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Like how about a call to Benny's office saying "hey buddy, reign your dogs in"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Download_Valley
> Download Valley is a cluster of software companies in Israel, producing and delivering adware to be installed alongside downloads of other software.[1] The primary purpose is to monetize shareware and downloads. These software items are commonly browser toolbars, adware, browser hijackers, spyware, and malware. Another group of products are download managers, possibly designed to induce or trick the user to install adware, when downloading a piece of desired software or mobile app from a certain source.
> Although the term references Silicon Valley, it does not refer to a specific valley or any geographical area. Many of the companies are located in Tel Aviv and the surrounding region. It has been used by Israeli media[2] as well as in other reports related to IT business.[3]
Getting an Israeli extradited is almost impossible, their in-group ethnic bias is so strong that they even fight the extradition of rapists. Extraditing some businessmen who merely scam and destroy people's computers? Fat chance in hell.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malka_Leifer_affair
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-jewish-american-pedophiles-...
They cannot say if for instance a moderate and nuanced opinion ("October 7th was legitimate causus beli -but blocking aid is a hard crossing of the lines.") is Zionist or not. Let alone statements like "Israel has a right to exist." qualify.
There is plenty of motte and bailey to go around and the truth has already been buried in an unmarked grave.
Outside of Jewish and Zionist Christian circles (which make up a tiny minority), virtually everyone under 30 can be lumped into the "not a fan of Israel" camp. The only question is a matter of degree.
A third of them think Israel was too heavy-handed in the response to 10/7.
Another third are cheering for 10/7 and chanting "from the river to the sea".
The final third are quiet about it in person, but behind pseudonyms online, are denying the holocaust while simultaneously asserting that jewish people deserved it.
Seriously, go talk to people under 30.
Jewish people are in for a very rude awakening as the loudest non-Jewish defenders of Israel and of Zionism, the boomers, die out.
This is absolutely not an endorsement of antisemitism, or of violence or threats of violence being directed at anyone, which is always wrong, but if I were Jewish and living in the US or western Europe, I'd already have started making plans to flee/escape. Just because what is happening is morally wrong doesn't mean it isn't happening.
I think they're losing confidence, but the more they panic and try to rush things (eg. by massively increasing immigration from India to White nations), the more racial awareness they awaken in the White community.
Shaping up to be another interesting '30s!
What they don’t realize is that given the enormity of the crimes they committed (heck, still are committing!), nothing short of accountability will help cleanse their reputation.
I suspect it'd have a different spin put on it.
The difference is that none of these places operate as legal safe havens for child sex predators.
They dont act like "Allies" while doing the same thing adversaries do
US has a law that they will invade International court of justice if ever any US personnel is tried there (ie for war crimes, that one would be easy to pull on thousands of US citizens). That's the US mindset against other jurisdictions.
Israel would be an exception of course.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/senior-israeli-cyber-official-...
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-865532
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/8/19/how-was-an-alleged-...
this alleged sex offender just appears remotely for his court appearances lol. I wonder if he will attend prison remotely too? Maybe an RC robot will serve his sentence and he can look out the bars through a camera and VPN from Israel.
The US has always had a number of grey market scammy businesses like those too. Lots of countries do.
It stands to reason that ex-cryptographers from Unit 8200 would use the expertise they gained to launch legitimate companies that provide cybersecurity solutions.
Which is something you can believe but it falls into the extraordinary claims, extraordinary evidence category. But by claiming it about Oracle or Israeli cyber firms or whatever you swap the evidence burden to the person who has the not extraordinary claim, that most businesses are doing what it claims on the tin.
Say the words “I believe all companies exist as an extension of the US intelligence apparatus” and claim the burden for yourself.
Oracle gets its name from a codename of a 1977 project for the Central Intelligence Agency, Oracle's first customer.
In 2004, then-United States Attorney General John Ashcroft sued Oracle Corporation to prevent it from acquiring a multibillion-dollar intelligence contract. After Ashcroft's resignation from government, he founded a lobbying firm, The Ashcroft Group, which Oracle hired in 2005. With the group's help, Oracle went on to acquire the contract.
Following the beginning of the Gaza war in 2023, Oracle’s top executives, including Safra Catz and Larry Ellison, publicly aligned the company with Israel’s military operations. They issued statements of solidarity, paid double salaries to Israeli employees, and donated to organizations connected to Israel’s wartime response.
Switching to that is commenting in good faith. It educates and argues the point and makes it clear that you aren’t in fact claiming that all companies are surveillance state apparatus. Note that other commenters ran with the “but they are actually argument” because the door was opened.
“The Age of Surveillance Capitalism”
and
“Stand Out of Our Light”
might not change your mind, but you’re likely to end up realizing customer data hovering is more of a driver of modern business decisions than you realize. To say nothing of the assets such activities provide the intelligence communities.
This is happening. Please don’t dismiss it as conspiracy theory.
How is this different from suggesting Netflix was all a secret plot by Stanford to spy on Europeans' TV binging?
If all it takes to convince us that a communication product was created as a front for spying operations is that it doesn't have a strict e2e design like Signal, then I guess virtually all of them must be fronts for spying operations.
This is the same as claiming that water isn't wet until someone here on HN brings you 10 articles and news proving otherwise. This particular topic was never really denied, nor even by the authors themselves as you can read on the article.
All of this is archived in their letters to and from each other and easily locatable online.
Govt surveillance is a big club, and you ain't in it.
If you're looking for a sinister plot, look no further than In-Q-Tel.
>You are literally hitler
You're goyim. You exist to be milked.
Even following the "if there's smoke there's fire" model, unclear there's a strong scent of "smoke" here. One could write a similar guilt-by-historical-association article concerning anyone, in the same position, really. Obviously if you're uploading a file to a 3d party website, the vendor has some technical access, this should be warned.
I've been forced to use this service, by way of healthcare professionals just disclosing correspondence to this service without asking for my consent.
Smeerlappen.
Luckily HN automatically detects when you post your password and obfuscates it with * - try it out yourself!
Jokes apart, I hope that's not your real pwd, in that case change it now.
This is not the case in the land of DICE-like key derivation; see TKey protocol for example. You can download and run an actual rv32 program on actual FPGA over WebUSB without having to worry about its provenance. If the program is modified, firmware will derive a completely different key.
Next one: Cloudflare has an edge in Israel. And have workers who was in Unit8200 before 1991 (per linkedin) are ISRALIES. Who uses Cloudflare? MANY MEDICAL ORGS. Also, Cloudflare is just like MITM (CDN). So does ISRAEL SPIES read all your MEDICAL data?
> "To think otherwise is completely naïve" (real qoute from the article btw = no proof)
What a sham article. Trump's TruthSocial level. But hey, most upvoted today (440+ points). And no point on reporting to mods also, I just get copy paste reply.
Of course there is no way for me to know if the poster was trolling or pushing an agenda. Some other commenters in this whole comment section are more obvious to identify
You can be discriminated against a job based on health records. Scary diseases like AIDS and TB make it hard for unskilled labor to land a job since it's so easy to discriminate. Pregnancy history may hurt women who are in countries with more generous maternity leave.
Mental health history will hurt just about everyone - who wants a worker who can claim ADHD, depression, anxiety, etc as reasons to be unproductive?
Then people will simply deny getting diagnosed for fear that they may uncover something that puts their jobs at risk. That hurts the medical system as a whole.
Combine with weird stuff like eugenics. What if we identify a possible rapist gene and neuter them in advance? Or bar people with a klepto gene from working in finance? You may live in happy, sane, democratic societies today, but it may not be the case 30 years from now.
I think this has been something people have had an instinct about forever, and the only reason I had to threaten to quit was because of a misunderstanding of the level of data safety involved; put simply it was not common knowledge that socket connections could be snooped and that targeting a popular service would be easy for a malicious person to do. (This was before SSL was efficient or easy to manage, and in the days when only payment screens were encrypted).
Once the message was across, everyone's objectives were aligned again.
Health information is deeply private because disease is entangled with shame/weakness/vulnerability/taboo/intimacy.
Just to make this clear, probably EU-wide, you can't legally be discriminated against. However, it's gonna be hard to prove leaked data won't be illegally integrated in e.g. ATS models, or was attributed as skill issue when it popped up during manual background checks.
Although, infectious disease like HIV or dystopian scenarios like eugenics are probably the classical discrimination examples for these privacy implications, I don't think they are very likely to be discriminated against (outside of jobs where discrimination is legal and require disclosure anyway, e.g. health workers, food industry etc.). It's easy to dismiss those worries, since most people aren't affected. But common issues with mental health (e.g. depression), hidden disabilities and chronic disease (e.g. PMS), or potentially severe recurring disease (e.g. cancer) realistically are going to be much more impactful. Everything which statistically increases chances to fall out the work force due to health reasons - especially in combination with strong labor protections.
Can't speak for all Europeans, but in my neck of the wood, Germany, they do very much.
You still wouldn't necessarily want a life insurance company to know stuff they haven't formally asked to know, you still have health information that could be used to blackmail you or whose reveal would be humiliating or upsetting.
Privacy is privacy. I ideally don’t want any of my data sold to anyone, but health data is even more vulnerable.
In my country it was even a big deal when they allowed different doctors to access your health data via a common system, as there were e.g. concerns that the information recorded by one doctor might bias another doctor, so some felt that it should be your choice what data to share between different parts of the public health system (except for explicit referrals).
Moreover, most European countries do have private doctors, private hospitals, and private health insurance – it’s just way less used than the public system. Those would have the same concerns as in the US.
Do Europeans care if their private and personal data is secret or not? What kind of question is that?
https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/regional/bayern/br-dingolfi...
So please provide an example for your argument. Because right now it's "Trust me Bro, I'm a Lawyer"
It is also the very same reason why you cannot get anything even remotely accurate related to the demographics of crimes in Germany, nothing even remotely similar to a National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), and the news does not report full names of suspects, let alone perpetrators, or even provide useful descriptions when when there is an active threat of it involves identifying and speaking the truth that contradicts your weird religious ideological zealotry that abuses and harms people all across Europe.
You are evil through all your various ways of lying and abusing and gaslighting to defend your abusive religion and harming people through it.
In what used to be basically the safest country of the world, now young girls and women are being gang raped because you lie. People are being murdered because you lie. People are being victimized, assaulted, and their culture is being poisoned, polluted, and destroyed because you lie. You are an accomplice in all this evil, whether you reject that notion or not, through your depraved gaslighting about the lived truth that people see and experience on a daily basis.
I know many people in Germany and especially the women tell me they are now anxious and afraid to go anywhere alone anymore compared to the past, because of various kinds and types of loitering foreigners that leer and menace them and harass them; young girls all the way to the oldest retirees tell me of having been sexually harassed in ways they’ve never even thought possible, by Africans and various “Asian” types that are invasive and alien and hostile … not to mention no one asked for them to be there in that fake democracy that imposes abuses by dictates.
What is wrong with you, as an apparent German? Germany destroyed itself once before through lies and delusion and insanity, why are you following the Nazis off the cliff, only throwing yourself off the other side of the cliff out of stupid spite and defiance?
And no, the government refine run and funded Tagesschau (designated as a state funded entity by YouTube, for example) is not even close to objective. It’s just propaganda, and either you are a cult in that government propaganda, or you have some kind of interest in pushing it.
Stop your abusiveness, please.
Talking about "missing the point"? One instance of the clear backpedaling about mentioning nationality/ethnicity in regime propaganda outlets is cited in order to act as if it has not been decades of abusive shielding of evil, harm, and crime against the indigenous peoples of Europe. What are you even doing, acting contrary to your own survival, German?
It's a typical abusive, narcissistic action; a kind of narcissistic evasion when the manipulation, toxicity, lies, and abuse lose effect and "admitted" at least to oneself; which if immediately followed with not only pleading of leniency, reasonableness, and moderation; but also immediate further abuse through your type of nitpicking and tone policing, with accusations of unreasonable response or things like "not letting it go". It's a common and core indicator of the depraved mind of the narcissistic personality disorder and derangement.... "You are wrong, but if you are right then you didn't say the words right and immediately need to forgive and allow me to further abuse and manipulate or you are the bad one". It's sick and depraved. Stop behaving that way, all of you.
It will simply not end well, regardless of what you think, tell yourself, or try to lie and gaslight others with. Either the abuse and denial that rises to genocide by the UN and EU definition, through the denial of the very abuse being perpetrated will continue and the indigenous people and all their cultures and traditions that have been around for centuries and millennia will be eradicated and you will end up with a similarly corrupted and rotten society like the USA; or it will end in a backlash in Europe after the abuses just accumulate, people snap and there is an explosion that of course comes form it. You can only abuse so much and so long unless you totally kill your victims... your own culture, your own people, Europe as a whole, yourself even.
History and reality does not care what fanatical and fantastical illusions some of us hold about how everyone can live happily ever after...at gunpoint at other people's expenses. It is not possible that it will end well without total destruction and eradication of a whole civilization's culture and history again, like was done in France, Russia, and China through the communist mental pestilence. These are not difficult things to understand or predict, especially since they have happened several times now in history. Yet so many seem unable to understand or see the clear path to the invariable consequences.
Most lawyer arguments that I heard so far, do not follow the pattern of "do a quick google search yourself".
They usually do have a law at hand and some verdicts. Especially if there supposedly are "hundreds of examples" I never heard of.
Maybe you should stop watching Fox News, or wherever you are getting your Propaganda from
Also Germany uses and is already Rolling out a Matrix-based Messenger and S/MIME-Mail with End-to-End-Encryption for Communication between Healthcare Professionals.
So at least for Germany this is a nothingburger
How would you even be sure of this just from what you can see? That doesn't mean your health insurance company isn't using Zivver internally. It's not like they tell you all the SW they use.
Internally, you have the Hospital Information System where you can look up all the informations you need.
I can just say I know the inside of one of Germany's biggest Hospitals, since I'm a Doctor. And requesting Patient Data or giving it out to other Parties is unfortunately a Task that Doctors still have to do on their own
And for communication with the outside world it's down to Fax, Phone or Letter.
And that will be replaced with KIM in the future
That's interesting because in The Netherlands most of my doctor's communications come through email (and zivver), followed by snail mail.
They just started installing Card Readers for the Doctor Identity Cards, so they can issue electronic prescriptions
As far as I know, I don't think the hospital portal has ever been used for communication like that. An email seems more "obvious" perhaps to the docs, and that's what they use most of the time.
https://www.umcutrecht.nl/en/login-patient-portal
See https://www.bundesgesundheitsministerium.de/themen/digitalis...
> We should instead elect officials that can deal with the “Neuland” of the digital age and have some technical chops and don’t immediately cave in when there is some money to be made
Yes, but I don't think this will happen during our lifetimes. Especially since the Gematik has shown again and again that they can't be trusted with it
This is about Unit 8200? The 'cybersecurity' unit that Israelis can join instead of doing their mandatory military service on the gun? I think this acquisition could indeed be problematic, but this seems like a weird framing. The article could give more context than that.
(And I mean any source for any of your assumptions...)
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