Building the Most Accurate Diy Cnc Lathe in the World [video]
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Read the primary article or dive into the live Hacker News thread when you're ready.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uallSKJGoug&list=PL3NwjxPeyb...
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2wdo5vU7bPBNzyC2nnwmNQ
https://www.youtube.com/@Abom79/videos
He has a bunch of lathe video's too.
If you are smart and patient you can find good used machine tools for very cheap (relative to their new cost). I would guess that buying a new Honda Civic costs more than what this person has in their shop. And if you bother to watch the video, you see at the end that he takes what he makes home to a different shop, implying that this is a shared or borrowed set of machine tools. Buying a bunch of tools that will hold their value while producing more value is not a sign of being reckless with someone else’s money.
Would you make such judgements about every Honda owner for spending a five figure sum?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Js8erWbsDQ
It's small and kind of underpowered, but not useless! The central idea is to 3D print shells that hold metal parts and are then filled with concrete for rigidity and mass. Quite clever, I think.
Someday when I have time, after I fix my little rowboat, and sew the clothes/bags I want, and fix the porch, and, and, and...
For now there's satisfaction watching others do some of the project I haven't made time for.
>Just for future reference on making gravers, you were correct that you do not want to get the pre-hardened steel red hot or it will lose its heat treatment. However you have to go much further than that and not allow it to heat above the desired temper temperature. For instance if it was previously tempered to a straw (yellowish brown) color but then while grinding it the steel turns blue, that means you have reduced the temper to a lower hardness. So you need to keep the steel cool and never let the temperature go beyond the desired temper temperature. You can think of it this way, hardening the steel makes it as hard as it can get (but too brittle to be good for much), then tempering reduces the hardness but makes it stronger, and this effect continues the hotter you temper it.
n.b. this sort of thing is absolutely endemic in the world of 3D printing, which is why most videos are fairly useless to learn from, but the comments are invaluable.
"High precision air bearing CNC lathe and grinder" (Dan Gelbart)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFrVdoOhu1Q
Cylo's Garage spent a lot of time exploring these designs. =3
https://gingerybookstore.com/
where Vol. 1 has one setting up an aluminum casting foundry in one's backyard, and Vol. 2 has one using it to make a lathe which is then used to either improve itself or make a better lathe, then one uses it to make the balance of the tools in a machine shop.
The real starting point for machine precision is rubbing 3 granite plates together.
A lathe can't replicate its own assembly, of course. It can't seat the spindle in the constraint bearings, for instance.
A CNC (without the word lathe) can make most of itself, and possible all. Nope: certainly all, if two of its dimensions fit within its work volume.
Milling machines are also just lathes with a different orientation, an extra travel axis, and a motor optimized for higher speeds & lower torques, it's possible (and reasonably common) to use a mill like a lathe or a lathe like a mill in many cases. So "only machine" part is also a stretch.
Mills are more limited than lathe - they don't have leadscrews, which are a necessity in the "build yourself" phase. You cannot make arbitrary threads with a milling machine. Thread milling gives some capability in this arena, but that's a CNC process.
https://community.carbide3d.com/t/thread-milling-in-metal-on...
A manual lathe will often have a gearbox which allows cutting threads on it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_KF3n3oo08
https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262130806/foundations-of-mechan...
0: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/72043
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/72046
https://mooretool.com/about-us/publications/
(the book is long out of print, and used copies are exorbitant, but maybe if enough folks express interest it will get a reprint)
Granite is a common material for modern surface plates (and a good one because it doesn't rust and doesn't raise burrs if it's chipped), but I believe these are still made using cast iron reference plates.
Doing the "covered with dye and rubbed together to find the high points, which are then scraped off" thing is only if you already have a flat reference surface as you wouldn't have a way to know if the thing you're trying to make flat is really flat.
The real question is how do you get the first flat reference surface when all you have are a few somewhat flat things?
my understanding is the threeplate method allows you to build the reference plate in the first place.
of course if you have a known flat surface you can save effort by making the new plate flate to the known flat.
All the effort!
one of the good things about granite flat references, is that they last for ages, so you can get them reasonably cheaply second hand, if you can find a second hand machine shop specialist.
Maudsleys 3 plates are in the London science museum along with Whitworths screw, and some of Marc Brunels stuff. Same room as the meccano differential analyser and the harmonic calculator for tide charts and Babbage bits.
Edit: found it - https://archive.is/iyCzB
This is done like the "dye / rub / scrape" method described above, which I believe is still used as it's superior to grinding for these applications.
See video below for the process: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7w84CrBEE8
And as you say, a granite surface plate is needed. Of course, Gingery's books only claimed to set up a metalworking shop starting "from scrap" and "simple hand methods" and that "it isn’t long before the developing machines are doing much of the work to produce their own parts" [2]
Of course, to truly make a lathe from scratch, you must first create the universe.
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPGZg45dGXA [2] https://gingerybookstore.com/MetalWorkingShopFromScrapSeries...
I found a copy of Vol. 2 ages ago and gave it away, and was glad to be able to purchase the updated all-in-one leatherbound edition.
That said, there is a certain charm to the originals with their typewritten text and hand-inked illustrations.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9d6LkFNP1fGjdW2RxqSH...
The real quote is a lathe can build any tool in a machine shop, - including itself. The books your mention describe how to build a lathe with the lathe you are building. (they assume surface plates that the other reply mentioned, but that too is something you can create)
https://youtube.com/@htme
(I'm assuming something like this was achieved decades ago in certain companies.)
As Dan Gelbart once said: "Building your own lathe is an admirable ambition. Building one with micron accuracy is a terrible illness which, at my age, has no cure."
In mechanical engineering/machining/etc. you mostly only get access to educational materials simplified to only demonstrate the concepts... plus a scant few sacred tomes.
This video, though? You know how people say "this meeting could have been an email"? This video could have been a web page. Or an email. It's just a set of slides with a voiceover. Save yourself the time and just read the subtitles:
For reading the subtitles file Building_the_most_accurate_DIY_CNC_lathe_in_the_world-[vEr2CJruwEM].en.vtt, http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/dev3/devtt.py may be useful.https://drive.google.com/file/d/178KoqYAQUScSW27opubo9K794Pe...
Another awesome video on precision engineering resources in the same channel:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FM9X_gjnleY
https://youtu.be/MgQbPdiuUTw?si=5r0DVsxVT1owyKk6