Britain Jumps Into Bed with Palantir in £1.5b Defense Pact
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The UK has signed a £1.5B defense pact with Palantir, sparking concerns about data privacy, surveillance, and the influence of US tech companies on British defense.
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We're delivering tools of surveillance to a world where freedom loving countries turn into oppressive regimes.
Really ugly times ahead of us...
Dictatorship? Monarchy without parliament/senate?
It’s actually an honest question.
Didn't we already have that, with constant wars being the result? Why would these competing city states allow freedom of movement?
We need to make democratic decision-making better, not get rid of it. Good dictators and kings are temporary, you always get a bad one eventually and the system collapses.
It hasn't been a country with a remote chance of producing another Arm for well over a decade, and Arm, successful though it is, is not a huge financial success. Maybe that's what using Prince Andrew as a trade representative achieved.
I also suspect that your (*) unwillingness to name the actual reasons for the loss of economic capability is the ultimate cause of what you are describing.
(*) And mine, if I'm to be honest.
Nope. What kind of culture puts a guy like that as a trade rep? An utterly superficial one, which is what the UK is today, and that is the root problem.
Liz Truss had her stopped-clock-being-right-twice-a-day moment when she asked why it was that all the kids in the country wanted to be pop stars or football players. It's almost like the effort:reward for absolutely anything else just isn't worth it.
Similarly, if you are the sort of person interested in putting their capitals to productive use (as opposed to a downright parasic extraction of rents) , the best decision you could make is to place them across the sea. Or the ocean.
Part innovator's dilemma, part lack of ambition, part lack of government support, part the usual UK/Euro VC situ. All I'll say is I met Karp once, face to face, in Palantir's very early days. The UK firm didn't have a Karp.
I wish I am wrong. Unfortunately agrees with you on everything.
Part innovator's dilemma almost certainly happens to all companies. It is the rest of the sentence that are the problems. Ambition, Government, UK/Euro VC situ, and generally culture.
Those who are Ambition moved to the US. Government, both ruling party and cvivl servant aren't interested to making anything better and I have seen this first hand. UK and Euro VC.
They’re over 20 years old at this point. That makes them a tech dinosaur.
Sophisticated systems plus powerful connections in government and industry plus so much money. That’s hard to unseat.
Their software is powerful and their FDEs make it valuable for customers. Every person in the billionaire class has high inside sales leverage.
Also it's take special kind of people to build right kind of slimy business structures to work with governments.
It's not just about corruption though because people who choose to work for governments have completely different set of motivations vs just making money. So working with them is just harder than working with business structures with simple goal to maximize profit.
Here's an example of it in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q8bwhAW2Mg
It's hard to describe because each customer usually has some set of customization to their workflow. One palantir customer probably uses the tool in a way unrecognizable to the next customer.
The other, perhaps more significant, asset Palantir has is a team that's gotten really good at interfacing with legacy systems and ingesting data into a more modern one.
One thing to note is, Palantir doesn't collect any data. People so often just assume that it does. The data collection is done by the government. Palantir just builds a fancy browser for data that the government already owns. So if people are angry about data being collected, go blame your government not Palantir.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust
But the basic idea of "things" and relationships is easy to conceptualize, in fact those physical evidence boards with people and things connected by association have been around for a long time.
But the formal Semantic Web tech proved too complicated, so it's only really used in areas like science and to a limited degree for SEO. However, companies like Google and Facebook saw the value and built their own "knowledge graphs," and eventually companies like Palintir started selling services built on the ability to create knowledge graphs about anything. There are a few companies that do this on a smaller scale, but Palintir has really taken off, and given (and perhaps because of) the personality of the founders and its policing/military focus, and the fact that everyone is incidentally connected one way or another, it has become a very dangerous tool because it ironically does the opposite of what these tools should do on a large scale, enables big orgs to track individuals, starting perhaps legitimately with crooks and terrorists but now expanding into every field and citizen, meaning everyone can be tracked, predicted, and managed (barring good societal rules). If it isn't stopped, it gives absolute control to whoever is on top.
I personally believe Palantir provides no real benefit except to enrich the fascist rich in the US.
Lol
I wonder why so many governments sign with a company that, even if the contract says they will not leak information to the US government, is required to yield any information to it if the US requests it, without even being able to notify their client—regardless of the location of the servers themselves.
[0]: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/4943...
Palantir is also likely one of the major lobbyists in pushing for Chat Control to the European Commision.
[0] (warning pdf) https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2022-00095...
I know you said "probably", but is your speculation based on anything? To me that would be considerably worse than just selling surveillance and investigation software to governments.
"Jumps into bed" gives a pretty good idea of what the author wants you to think. But I'm going to give the people signing the deal the benefit of the doubt that they might know a bit more.
Now where did I put that Mutant Chronicles rulebook...
I think what’s scary now is the trajectory we’re on and how so many people seem desperate to keep the accelerator pressed hard to the floor.
I have a friend that was afraid a nuclear bomb would eventually drop. I wasn't worried a bit about that though. So perhaps perception or state of mind made a difference.
This take will be controversial I'm sure and possibly bring me downvotes, but I predict folks like Gavin Newsom - who currently appear to be rising against this movement - will be joining their ranks in the long run. Thiel's platform suggests that ordinary citizens are too stupid to vote in their own best interest, they just end up stalling progress; which Thiel will then point to MAGA as evidence of this. It's an oversimplification of course, but I guarantee things will transpire along those lines to convince other powerful folk to join their cause.
I haven’t heard this, and I hope I’m not being given enough rope to hang myself either, but this kind of makes sense. MAGA has pretty completely shown beyond a shadow of a doubt that they will not vote in their own interests, or even the interests of their county, or anyone (as far as I can tell).
The average US citizens' compliant wilfulness and irresponsibility with regards to the US' war crimes, yet another.
It doesn't just have to be about what Americans do to themselves. This phenomenon is just as easily observable in what Americans do to other nations.
So, if there is hope, it lies in the proles. The ones that live outside the US' borders.
And the oligarchs have the best interest of the citizens in mind? If not, I don't understand the argument.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Zhidong
He could also be Shen Buhai, incarnate:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shen_Buhai
Either one of these figures could provide us clues as to how to head off Thiels' insanity.
What gave him that right to conclude it that way? There are plenty of us who think he’s an idiot to decide on other people’s behalf!!
That transition happens after civic exhaustion, usually following violence. If Rome is a model, we’d expect to see tens of millions of Americans die.
I don't remember any.
Incessant.
For true muzzling, it’s a honest debate about intentionally provocative political speech in the wake of Charlie Kirk. (TL; DR we learned nothing.)
The founders didn’t envision speech being policed with guns. That is absolute nonsense. The system is clearly broken.
That requires debate as to whether norms are failing to adequately police speech in an era of social media, and if the First Amendment’s idealistic vision of lawless self-regulation has failed. (Alternatively, how we can bring non-violent shame back into the envelope of norms.)
That's an absolute strawman. No provision in our government allows the use of force to counter ideological disagreement. What a bizarre thing to say.
What did you mean when you responded to a comment about what happened to Charlie Kirk by talking about “the system…working as designed”?
That levelling, darkly, does solve the problem. Nazism ultimately turned Western Europe into an American protectorate. And under Pax Americana, it thrived. One can similarly point to Imperial Japan having laid the groundwork for the Asian miracle, at the cost of millions of lives.
Maybe fascism has a purpose: it lumps together a generation’s horrific and emotionally stunted and combusts them against an innocent population. That’s horrible. But it leaves better cinders than it came to.
(For the avoidance of doubt, I neither think fascism is good nor inevitable.)
While the then newfangled radio was a potent method of disseminating propaganda, today the tool chains for and scientific knowledge about how to efficiently 'manifacture consent', as it is sometimes called, are quite a bit more oppressive.
So I mean, yes, it's fair to describe Thiel as a technofeudalist of some sort, but this contract isn't suddenly going to upend the UK's political, social and economic systems.
Robert Maxwell allegedly sold a backdoored version of the PROMIS software to many governments, including the US government.
Christine Maxwell, founder of the Magellan search engine, co-founded the Chiliad data analysis software that was used in the FBI post 9/11.
Her co-founder was Alan Wade, who then went to the CIA in the role of CIO when In-Q-Tel founded Palantir.
Epstein invested in Thiel's Valar fund after 2008.
It's basically we give you money now so you end up paying us back twice and don't develop anything locally either. And we get your data in the mean time.
That said, the UK is clearly desperate, as recent discussions on here attest to.
Now that he's out of the states and no longer at Meta, he's most likely rehabilitating his career to re-enter politics, just like Rishi did after his stint in high finance.
The Tories are in the midst of a tailspin, and a Nick Clegg-style National Dem candidate has an interesting opportunity to peel away higher income Tories and centrists, as Reform peels away lower income or nativist British voter, and this is a shot at the incumbent Labour party.
He's only 57 so he has plenty of time to wait it out and re-enter the scene, as well as the dry powder.
Worst case, he'll probably take an appointed peerage eventually.
so it's unsurprising that the UK, which wants to befriend Pres Trump, would also like to befriend the VP (who owes his entire career to Thiel).
In my view that’s two simple procurement changes …
[1]: https://defenseunicorns.com
[2]: https://zarf.dev
But there is one person in the UK who is almost singlehandedly responsible for the now near-inevitable rise in fascism in the UK and that's Keir Starmer.
Keir Starmer rose to power because Brexit split Labor and Jeremy Corbyn failed to have a good position on Brexit, which opened the door to antisemitic slander against Corbyn (who, as an aside, is Jewish). Starmer's Labor got fewer votes than in either of the 2 previous elections. All that happened was the Conservative vote got split by Reform, which made it an accidental Labor landslide that won't be repeated.
Starmer has done nothing to address the cost of living crisis. All he's done is ensure a post-politics career by being Israel's #1 defender and supporter as well as criminalize free speech and protest (as "terrorism") because somebody threw paint on a plane.
So yeah, Britian getting in bed with one of the most evil companies on Earth [1][2] is the least surprising thing I've read all week.
[1]: https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/
[2]: https://www.business-humanrights.org/es/%C3%BAltimas-noticia...
https://www.thejc.com/news/jeremy-corbyn-my-jewish-ancestry-...
It's not my job to decide who's Jewish or not, but I think it's inaccurate to just describe him as 'Jewish' without qualification.
There's an awful lot of people declaring themselves and others to be ethnically Jewish or not Jewish when it suits them or suits some political goal. Russian is the third most common spoken language in Israel for a reason: to change demographics from the refuseniks, many of whom were ethnically and religiously Jewish but many who were not.
The character assassination on Corbyn who, in the very least, has Jewish ancestry, was disgusting regardless.
Ironically that's exactly what you're doing here (i.e. making the misleading claim that Corbyn is Jewish in an attempt to defuse allegations of antisemitism against him).
And besides, not sure what is the point of putting this reference in, as he should be judged by his actions, not his ancestors.
Not too different than justifying many of Clarence Thomas’s decisions by saying, by the way, he is black
There are plenty of companies in the defense sector but those aren’t usually considered “tech” so for some reason they’re out of the discussion.
And besides, these US companies build things that the US and US-approved governments buy, so any criticism should be pointed at the governments.
Personally I don’t even think that criticism is deserved. What do you expect UK to do for example, not sign any defense contracts?
This should scare you immensely more...
#rewrite_it_in_ada