Bob Ross Paintings to Be Auctioned to Fund Us Public Broadcasting
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Bob Ross paintings are being auctioned to fund US public broadcasting, sparking discussion about the role of public media and its funding models, as well as the legacy of Bob Ross.
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The message is more important than the medium. With the advent of the internet and platforms like YouTube it's easier than ever to get your video, your message, into the homes of America.
It's certainly possible that's less necessary nowadays, given how cheap filming and creating video content is nowadays, but it's worth considering.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3KEoMzNz8eYnwBC34RaKCQ
Instead, public good free informational content.
Sharing videos publicly online is hard and Youtube is fake democratization for market capture.
Everyone would be shooting for their own gain and we would all be worse of as a result.
But it’s always struck me as odd that their frequent pledge drives suggest the ads they run don’t actually cover their costs.
In effect, each 30-second pledge driver must generate more revenue than a 30-second sponsor ad — which seems like a flaw in their revenue model, where donations are more valuable per minute than their core revenue generating business model.
Is this statement opinion or backed by data?
Either way, I’m not sure you understand the purpose of a free press. A free press gives all audiences an opportunity to find contrarian viewpoints in the media. That’s it. There’s nothing else because that’s all that’s possible.
There’s not some perfect state that exists where all media outlets (Fox News, CBS, Mother Jones) are perfectly neutral.
This is why freedom of the press and freedom of speech are so important.
That's all interesting, but it doesn't really address the point that NPR's coverage is biased by a desire to please its audience. Even though tautologically true for all organizations, it is disingenuous to suggest (as GP is doing) that NPR gets to don a mantle of impartiality because they don't run (some) ads to finance their operation. Despite how hard "NPR has tried to avoid this".
So, sure, pick your favorite partisan news source. But don't try to claim that it's unbiased because it doesn't generate revenue with ads.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45516661
When media runs non-stop pharmaceutical ads you obviously question their motivation when reporting on pharmaceutical adjacent topics, which are almost invariably neutral to positive. Yet when NPR runs non-stop Walmart articles [1], often in a neutral to positive fashion, most are unaware that they've received millions of dollars from the Waltons.
And FWIW those millions the Waltons have given aren't that much relative to their overall funding, but if you saw an equivalent amount of annual advertising from the Waltons on NPR, you'd certainly be looking at those articles from a different perspective than somebody who's unaware of said funding.
[1] - https://www.npr.org/search/?query=walmart&page=1
> And FWIW those millions the Waltons have given aren't that much relative to their overall funding
Contradict
> precisely to give the impression of 'being funded by listeners like you.'
Here you have one of the biggest companies in the country and one of the richest families and while they do donate they are still only a sliver?
Isn't that what we would want, or are there better models you can suggest?
In general I don't think impartial centralized media/reporting is possible in the modern era where any source of influence becomes immediately targeted by countless moneyed interests. And it's not like a comic book thing where some guy with slicked hair comes in, drops off a few bags of money and a list of talking points. Rather it's probably more akin to politics where extremely charismatic smooth talkers come in, present their heavily polished point of view, treat you like a king, and then leave a few bags of money on their way out as a no-strings-attached charitable donation to do with as you see fit.
For a slight tangent, I remember when AOC first took office, quite doe eyed, she posted: "Our “bipartisan” Congressional orientation is cohosted by a corporate lobbyist group. Other members have quietly expressed to me their concern that this wasn’t told to us in advance. Lobbyists are here. Goldman Sachs is here. Where‘s labor? Activists? Frontline community leaders?" [2] Those sort of critiques, which I was extremely impressed by at first, somehow disappeared pretty quickly from her. In lieu of that she started doing things like showing up at the $35,000/ticket Meta Gala with a gown emblazoned with "Tax the rich" worth thousands of dollars. I'm positive that in her mind she's still the exact same grass roots outsider fighting against a corrupt system.
Humans are very good at cognitive dissonance and it really ruins any centralized system.
[1] - https://media.npr.org/documents/about/statements/fy2024/Nati...
[2] - https://x.com/AOC/status/1070764827533078529
I could see how NPR at the National level would do the big stuff with corporate sponsorships.
It's interesting that this is the label you give for that behavior. A more optimistic take is this is just journalistic ethics. I guess it all depends on how much you trust NPR, but like you said "some 54% trust in them, contrasted against 28% for the media at large". The nature of your description suggests you might be in the 46% and almost certainly in that 72%.
NPR, PBS, PRI, unaffiliated local stations, media not owned by large companies, etc. may not push conservative talking points, but they offer a sometimes differ point of view that is interesting or worth exploring. How terrible is that?
The idea that, on every issue, there are two extremes and the "right" answer is somewhere in the middle is just sort of made up. It makes a lot of sense, though.
If I say China is 1 mile away from the US and you say it's 1 billion miles away, then the answer is probably somewhere in the middle. It makes sense. Except, the middle is not constant. The middle is constantly moving. What was middle 10 years ago is no longer so. What was middle in Confucius' time is no longer so.
If you take a look at history, you'll notice the people in the middle are almost always wrong. The 3/5ths compromise is the perfect example of this middle ground fallacy. Well... that turned out to be wrong, very wrong.
It's possible NPR hasn't changed their positioning at all, but rather, the window has shifted and now what was previously middling is now "extreme". But they could have been right all along. It happens sometimes. There were people around during the 3/5ths compromise who wanted no slavery at all. They were right!
The actual truth is much worse.
Think about how many Walmarts there are and the representation of people going to Walmart (hint: mostly the bottom 99% of wealth), what concerns they would have, what trouble they would get into. Do you think the Walton family is also the culprit in all crime or world news that is reported? They must be really busy controlling the world if so.
The link your provided has 14 articles written in 2025. Topics covered: listeria outbreak, tariffs raising prices, radioactive shrimp, a stabbing at a store, and a shooting at a store.
Maybe two of the articles could be viewed as mildly positive towards the Walmart corporation, though they are basically just saying that the tariffs weren't impacting prices to the level that many people thought they were, and they were backed up with real-world data. I appreciate you providing an illustrative link to back up your post, but it doesn't really seem to agree with your point.
What NPR affiliate station you listen to? WNYC runs a quarterly week-long pledge drive. The rest of the time you might hear a “funded by listeners like you” drop, but nothing like the regular cadence of commercial radio. The minute measure is not over the same period.
As a result we don't charge much for sponsorships. We still make money off of them, but it's small compared to what we receive from donors. IOW that flaw is our greatest strength: we aren't answerable to advertisers and only to our listeners.
Getting on my soapbox, when you see deals like ABC and Paramount licking Trump's boots, it's because they are deeply, deeply invested in those commercial interests. Many of those extend beyond advertising to trying to please the state and get merger approvals from the FCC, but in the end, for those guys it all comes down to revenue. That's important to keep in mind when you're looking at what they think is important to show you.
We're not perfect that's for sure, but we at least don't have to pander to advertisers.
That is why donations are better, even if it makes less direct cash.
The PBS affiliate stations in most need of federal funding are typically in rural, largely Republican areas. Let their own base tell the party they're not happy about being cut-off from their baseball documentaries and all the educational shows their kids watch.
PragerU shorts injected directly in to Sesame Street wasn't on my 2025 bingo card but its not the wildest thing I've seen out of the US this year.
Those republicans left Fox News when they were forced to admit that they lied, and instead tuned into "media" that kept insisting that the 2020 election was "stolen"
Those same people are cheering on an administration that erases American history because it is uncomfortable and cheer on a President who lies when his mouth is open.
Thinking they will suddenly come to their senses is just delusional.
>all the educational shows their kids watch.
They don't let their kids watch educational shows. They buy documentaries from religious fundamentalist groups and force their children to watch shows about how the scientists lie to them for satan. They take their kids to organizations run by the Discovery Institute, including exhibits about how dinosaurs are a lie perpetrated by science.
These people have been purposely nurturing an anti-science cult for decades. They have an entire "alternative" media infrastructure set up. PragerU is just a minuscule part of it.
Abstract proclamations don't affect people. Taking something away from them, affects them. That's when the rubber hits the road. That's when the public starts turning on the politicians. Even the strictest party-line voters don't support EVERYTHING (or even most of what) the party says and does.
> They don't let their kids watch educational shows.
> They have an entire "alternative" media infrastructure set up.
"PBS has also reported a diverse ideological split among its consumers [...] 26% who self-identify as Republicans and 37% who say they are independents."
https://www.thewrap.com/defund-pbs-npr-impact/
"Among those that voted for President Trump, PBS/public television has a much higher positive image rating (60%) than the traditional broadcast networks (37%), cable TV networks (41%) and newspapers (24%)."
"66% who voted for President Trump favor increasing or maintaining federal funding for public TV"
https://www.pbs.org/about/about-pbs/blogs/news/survey-shows-...
†: not for you, just for those who can afford to buy a TV channel. Too bad if you aren't a billionaire.
As the country rapidly descends into a right wing totalitarian state, it's great that you identified the real culprit: people who complained our country was descending into a right wing totalitarian state.
https://web.archive.org/web/20250121153258/https://www.theda...
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