Anti-Aging Breakthrough: Stem Cells Reverse Signs of Aging in Monkeys
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A research paper claims that stem cells have reversed signs of aging in monkeys, sparking debate on the implications and ethics of anti-aging technology.
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Would they get cancer if they lived for 400 years? Maybe not either. Their immune systems are very good, better than ours.
(We humans don't really want to acknowledge that some other animals may have better immune systems, or any other systems, at their disposal.)
On the other end of the scale, mice die of cancer while not even three years old, because their immune systems are really bad at fighting cancer cells.
Cancer in mammals seems to be a function of failing immune systems rather than raw age in numbers. In some species, including us humans, weakening of the immune system goes hand in hand with aging. But in others it does not.
If cancer really is an inevitability, then whales, who have both livespan limits longer than that of humans, and enormous bodies with a staggering amount of living cells, would be full of cancer. They aren't.
Clearly, humans must have better innate cancer suppression than mice, and whales must have better innate cancer suppression than humans.
There are some hints that this may come down to programmed cell death and DNA repair mechanisms (i.e. the p53 pathway) more than the immune system tweaks - with immune response being the "last resort" of cancer suppression. But we also don't know enough about the immune system to be able to examine it the same detail we can examine the DNA repair pathways.
Our evolutionary biology doesn't "care" if we get cancer. Just that we have healthy children and can rear them for one or two generations. That was a (locally) optimal algorithm.
We have plenty of in-built checks and protections in our molecular biology, and they are sufficient to expand the species.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peto's_paradox
"Notably, none of the cell transplant recipients developed tumors (n = 16)."
https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(25)00571-9?_re...
The implanted stem cells, however, were human. (The fact that that the treatments did not cause "fever or substantial changes in immune cell levels (lymphocytes, neutrophils, and monocytes), which are commonly monitored for xenograft-related immune responses," is itself surprising.)
> promises of extending life have always fallen short of hype, and odds are this will too
Correct, though I'd say because this is early-stage medical research. Not because it's targeting longevity. I'd be similarly sceptical of an N = 16 early-stage drug trial for the flu.
In terms of replicatability, it is also not always the sample size, it is the effect size. Small samples do affect ability to generalize, but the point is that sample size isn't everything.
Which effect size do you find lacking?
As well as the undeniable benefit to individuals, a cure for aging would unleash a whole new bunch of problems that have been kept in check through the mechanism of people dying off regularly. A society of immortals could be quite alien to us.
Good example is vitamin supplementation. There isn't a downside. It's just a fuck-up we can't synthesise vitamin C. (There may be path-dependent benefits, e.g. our jaw muscles getting smaller thereby permitting a larger brain. But we don't need to be vitamin C restricted anymore.)
Every action in the known universe (and surely in some unknown ones too) results in a trade-off. This is maybe the only precept on software architecture that doesn't "depends" on anything and is closer to natural law.
Human body isn't exactly bottlenecked by energy availability. Calories are getting cheaper and cheaper, with obesity rates as a testament to that.
There are old people who remain lucid and active well into their nineties, not getting dementia or cancer - through some combination of good luck, good genes and good lifestyle choices. They live a good life - until a stroke cripples them, or the heart fails them, or a very mundane illness like flu puts them in bed and they never quite recover from it. If that couldn't happen to them, how many more good years would that buy them?
Any treatment that addresses the aging-associated systematic decline in bodily functions should be extremely desirable. Even if it wouldn't help everyone live longer, it would help a lot of people live better lives nonetheless.
We are consistently sold ideas that do not meet expectation, the catch is expected.
"Hey everyone we discovered X breakthrough!" It only has Y constrains or consequences which make it not so useful, or at worst, harmful later.
"The super stem cells prevent age-related bone loss while rejuvenating over 50% of the 61 tissues analyzed." (including the brain).
What do people die of when they die of 'old age'? There's the 3 pillars: cancer, cardiovascular, neurodegenerative. These are often (but not always) metabolic diseases; i.e. cardiovascular death often arises from kidney insufficiency. If you can regenerate the liver, kidney, etc. indefinitely, a large vector of metabolic disease is probably diminished or disappears.
In the paper, monkeys restored brain volume. They reduced the levels of senescent cells to youthful levels. They increased bone mass. This reduces or eliminates many of the threats that inflict casualties among the centenarian population.
Sure, something else could come up that the monkeys start dying from instead. But, given the way humans and monkeys die of old age—by reducing or eliminating all known threats—it's hard to see how this wouldn't extend lifespan.
Unclear from the study what the stem cells are doing to address either problem.
It would likely only be the uber-wealthy and powerful who would have access to this technology. Picture a world where a slew of today's despots (including the current American president) get to live for two, or three human lifespans.
If that doesn't cool your jets, let's say the treatment is so cheap it can be widely available to everyone. Now you have prisoners, slaves, exploited labourers who live for centuries. It's madness. I don't think we've evolved enough, ethically speaking, as a species to wrestle with such long lifespans.
If by uber-wealthy you mean most people in rich countries, sure. Otherwise, I don't see why this would progress in a way all other medicine has not.
This study appears to have used "human embryonic stem cells (hESCs)" [1]. We haven't tested this with iPSCs [2].
Even if it only works with hESCs, if the part of the population that thinks blastocysts are people wants to live a third or a quarter as long as the part that doesn't, I don't see a problem with that. We're basically going in that direction with vaccination anyway.
[1] https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(25)00571-9?_re...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_pluripotent_stem_cell
I meant where do you get enough stem cells to make the procedure widely available to the developed world? Stem cells are kinda scarce, as far as I know, so it may gate such a thing.
Embryonic stem cells are rare in America because of religious types. They're not particularly difficult to manufacture or extract--the limit is really human eggs, and we can make those in the lab [1]. (Human sperm are not, for many reasons, difficult to secure.)
I'd actually guess hESCs would be the cheapest route. If we insist on iPSCs, then this turns into a personalised medicine treatment. But in that, it's no different from e.g. oncology.
[1] https://www.npr.org/2025/09/30/nx-s1-5553322/ivg-human-eggs-...
I want this longevity to be real. I have to stick around long enough to see if people respond differently to me when they are older.
'If You Are Not a Liberal When You Are Young, You Have No Heart, and If You Are Not a Conservative When Old, You Have No Brain' Nobody seems to agree on who actually said that.
What makes the current lifespan any more correct than 2x or 3x, or 0.5x of a century or two ago? Given that life expectancy was much shorter a century ago, should we start randomly executing people to keep "the uber-wealthy and powerful" from living too long? That would probably have kept "the current American president" from being in power.
Or put differently: it’s a request, given limited resources let’s expend effort on a fairer society, not one with longer lived people.
Sure. One of which would be broadly granting access to it.
Like, if a country tried to restrict such technology to its leaders, you could probably trigger regime change by simply promising to share the technology in the event of deposement. Every party member who barely missed the cut would become your revolutionary.
Nihilistic Luddism. It works against any argument for making the world a better place.
> For example: labor camps
...what's the connection between longevity and labor camps? Empirically, as life expectancies (at birth and in adulthood) have risen, the prevalence of labor camps has gone down. We can see this both longitudinally and between countries.
Whereas if you live a super long life, you can't afford to be risk averse and hope for a dictator to die of old age and hope that will somehow magically change thing.
The technology would have to be accessible to everyone, otherwise "the wealthy" would be murdered. And no, some futuristic sci-fi bullshit isn't going to save them.
> Now you have prisoners, slaves, exploited labourers who live for centuries.
I don't really understand this line of reasoning at all. Slaves exist, and slavery is miserable, therefore nobody on the planet should live beyond current human lifetimes? If a slave or exploited person is going to get healthcare for something that might otherwise cause them to die, are you arguing healthcare should be withheld?
Uprisings or outright assassinations would become much more common.
Seriously. Every senior government official or sniper in Russia who isn't happy with Putin is placated by telling themselves "everybody dies sooner or later". Take that away and you'll force people to do something instead of just waiting out the clock.
“Everyone can live 500 years but I think we should set up a program to randomly murder them at around 60-90 years old.”
The odds of this actually happening are about about zero anyway, so this is not something to be concerned about. I am more optimistic, if it were to happen ,in unlocking economic potential. Why would we not want some of society's most productive people to live longer. Think of all the careers derailed by illness, lives separated by death.
Edit: The Last Question reference seems to have not hit. My bad.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_and_life#Negative_entr...
150 is the new 70
People will still die, even in a world without ageing, which this treatment doesn't promise.
Without that people have lived longer are more likely to have lower risks of death per year. And thus older people in such a society would on average live longer.
> it isn't the "primary cause
Only if you’re using an inaccurate definition of aging. If everyone over 20 should have the same risk of cancer as 20 years olds the total number of cancers would drop by more than half.
If someone has an increased risk of death per year from cancer or whatever because something is failing over time they are still aging.
If the rate per year stays the same IE being 20 or 20,000 has no impact on your risks of cancer each year then someone that’s 20,000 likely takes very few other risks and is more likely to live another 20,000 years than the random 20 year old.
Then, one day, the are told their important and distant "parents" are finally arriving to bring them away to their new life...
Anyway, the point is that any aging wealthy pedicidal murderers are also gonna insist the body is perfect before they move in. The easiest way to do that without conjuring more new technology is the force the future-victim to do it.
And you also reminded me of the flawed but moving film "Never Let Me Go" from 2010 about a more present version of this. Oh, and there's also Michael Bay's "The Island".
(In practice, almost everything over 5 years away, even when already in early human trials, has this property; the only reason the Covid vaccines happened faster is that everyone was willing to throw unlimited resources at the problem and do simultaneous tests on all candidates, and in a pipeline, rather than cost-efficiently and slowly like everything else has been).
In-vitro tissue culture is already a thing (including brain organoids, if you want a brain to control a robot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebral_organoid), as is 3D bio-printing.
IIRC, there's no current way to scan even a single living synapse/synaptic cleft/dendrite combination to read out the corresponding connection strengths, let alone for the whole brain, so we can't yet scan a brain — but if we could do that, writing it back to a fresh blank one currently seems(!) like the easy part, as neurons change shape and grow in response to electrical gradients.
This, er, Brain of Theseus would retain operational patterns even if the individual cells have been replaced.
A variation on that would be too do it stochastically, constantly substituting a miniscule percentage of cells evenly across the entire brain.
This thread is about stem cells in monkeys.
https://blanu.net/curious_yellow.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasshouse_(novel)
h/t HN user cstross
Many of the worst people in humanity, seem(ed) to act like they thought they were immortal.
Even being grazed by a bullet didn't stop Trump praising the second amendment.
(Though I say that as a non-American, and someone for whom the 2nd was part of why I never even considered attempting to migrate to the US; I do recognise the language used to support it as a quasi-religious badge of identity, i.e. hard to shake).
This at least gives the semblance of Trump having and sticking to a set of principles (though I suspect it's more to do with what his supporters would accept)
And that's good because, for my part, I plan to shuffle off this mortal coil in time not to see America elect Nick Fuentes as President.
I have heard variants on this assertion:
"Two of the most prominent purported underlying causes of aging are chronic inflammation and senescent cells."
One thing that surprises me is that telomeres aren't mentioned.
I also don't understand how this is happening (is apoptosis somehow triggered?):
"Now, the Academy researchers demonstrate that SRCs reduce senescent cells, measured using a blue dye called SA-β-Gal, in multiple organs, including the brain, heart, and lungs."
The main mechanism of action appears to be:
"The therapeutic efficacy of MPCs is largely attributed to their paracrine actions, with exosomes playing a pivotal role in mediating these effects."
The researchers do not appear to fully understand how this is happening:
"Among the diverse geroprotective functions of SRCs in the brain and ovary, the restorative effect of SRC-derived exosomes on aged cells and their surroundings emerges as a key mechanism. Rejuvenation of aged cells by exosomes likely involves multiple pathways and targets."
Hitler ultimately died from the sheer gambler's recklessness of reaching for far too much that belonged to too many other powers, and being burned by all the consequences. Had he not started a multi-front world war against almost every single one of the world's other major nations, he could have stayed safely in power as Germany's beloved dictator right up until any old age he managed to reach (as Franco pulled off by much more wisely focusing on consolidating domestic power and avoiding wars)
Societies do have ways of dealing with tyrants, yes, and mostly it's just by rewarding them with more. The bad parts mostly happen to utterly foolish tyrants who make tremendous missteps.
I don't really blame humans in particular, a bear can eat it's prey alive and feel nothing at all about it, and many other similar examples of cruelty exist in nature, many even eat their own species in special circumstances, despite that I don't consider any of them evil.
Nothing short of a highly contagious virus that affects the brain and makes us more emphatic (with no other side effect) would break the cycle, but that's just sci-fi talk.
It's also not particularly challenging to see society lacks any intrinsic defence from the most ruthless and greedy from advancing in any given power structure inside of it, it's a long term damage so it's abstracted away while more immediate issues take presedence, it's in our DNA to give too priority to immediate threats, while long term problems such as this don't make the top 10 (another example being climate change, etc)
For every evil old person today, there's a handful of evil younger people behind them, just because of demographics.
The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish…”
There are a million problems that will arise if people won't be able to die and that's just another one of them.
These treatments aren't panaceas. The benefit would almost certainly accrue inversely with age.
Right now generational wealth fizzles out due to idiot heirs eventually appearing. Imagine if someone could ride a thousand years of exponential gains.
In reality all we have are humans, and humans are bastards.
Or Lord of the Rings and Elves.
Immortality likely breeds ossification. Stasis.
since the end of monarchies autocracy has been impersonal and institutionalized. You can think of the Pope or Dalai Lama as software, the latter literally being rebooted when the last one kicks the bucket, the substrate doesn't matter much.
In the words of Jung: people don't have ideas, ideas have people. Big Brother is a program, not a person and so physical death doesn't help you much in that regard.
An autocracy is an idea but an autocrat is a human who cares about himself. Anyone capable of carrying the torch is seen as threat and gets exiled, imprisoned or killed. In the end it's scorched earth within the current elites so instead of succession you get revolution with say 40-50% chance. You may get the succession to work once, maybe two-three times if you're lucky, but that's it.
Now contrast it with a world where an autocrat doesn't actually need a successor and can run the country indefinitely.
A modern autocracy has the incentive to keep the population dumb to stay existing. Old monarchies have the incentive to make their population more intelligent, so it has more power than the neighbor.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem
[11] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Fred_Muggs
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