An Ounce of Silver Is Now Worth More Than a Barrel of Oil
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The world has turned upside down: an ounce of silver now costs more than a barrel of oil, sparking a lively discussion about the implications of this unexpected shift. As commenters weighed in, some joked about cashing in their silverware, while others pointed out that oil still has value as a chemical feedstock, even if burning it is a waste. The conversation took a humorous turn with references to outdated tech like Microsoft Silverlight, and some even suggested putting the precious metal to good use in solar panels. Amidst the banter, a consensus emerged that this reversal is a poignant reminder of the changing energy landscape.
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In fact, it is hard to imagine there would have been enough dead trees to make oil if it were not for the sun.
You could argue (pretty soundly) that oil is just a way of consuming the energy in trees which got that energy from the sun. So oil is just a way of extracting ancient solar energy.
We’ve known how to make hydrocarbons out of air for decades, it’s just cheaper to dig up the remains of plants that discovered the process billions of years ago.
https://www.neste.com/products-and-innovation/neste-my-renew...
Every voter who votes for lower gas prices is agreeing that it's better to live inside the cruel empire than to build a world without empire
The higher the taxes the lower the price of crude has to be for people to afford it. This means reduced western demand at high prices.
However this doesn't reduce consumption, it just shifts the consumption to the developing world, where there are minimal if any taxes on consumption.
This is true if production levels aren't responsive to prices, but I see no reason that would be the case. Petroleum production levels are known to be quite responsive to upward price movements.
0: pro fossil fuels: https://energyanalytics.org/u-s-fossil-fuel-subsidies/
1: anti fossil fuels: https://e360.yale.edu/digest/republican-spending-bill-fossil...
Oil on the other hand is infinite.
If you’ve found a way to escape that arithmetic, I’m all ears.
Just someone getting paid market rate for the additional barrels.
$35-40 takes into account the risks and time value of the investment, potential price fluctuations, and the preference for (all else equal) lowest cost extraction.
I would not expect someone to dump in a shit ton of money, hope the well works out, and nothing else go wrong right at an expected cost at $60/barrel with amortized investments/operations included.
This is an incredible, and wildly under discussed win.
As soon as solar energy is being used at scale, this will probably become way more commonly used - big electricity expense is the only main cost.
Carbon capture is the other main input…hmmm.
They’re melting.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46396844
1: https://www.physicalgold.com/insights/how-much-silver-is-rec...
What interest is served by posting this obviously wrong rhetoric?
It's strange because it's just not one channel but multiple, and the person behind has kept uploading videos during the entire duration of these holidays. So far, he seems to be quite accurate with his predictions. It's been quite informative.
If someone is curious, one of many: https://youtu.be/vBIUZGlNkks
Then he went on to claim this bizzaro video has “been quite informative.” When it’s definitely an AI slop pumping mechanism.
TBH his comment is probably part of the campaign.
Maybe you are right and the video is just ai slop. I just wanted to share it, because I learnt with them how futures, arbitrage and market manipulation works.
Also, I can assure you that I am not part of any campaign, but of course, what else would I say?
I guess eventually people develop enough discernment to say they don't know whats going on, until then slop like this is taken as Gospel.
Stop talking, start reading.
https://x.com/echodatruth/status/2004802236224766009
Pre-covid, I religiously saved silver (and gold). Just bought some every single paycheck for like 6 years. I had coins, jewelry, bars, silverware, etc.
I wished my parents had left me a treasure, but they didn't, so I thought I'd do that for my kids, maybe even leave them a map... But I don't have kids, so after being locked in my house during covid, I kind of went a bit crazy.
I sold it all and moved states (after travelling quite a bit). My collection was quite massive, and I 100% knew that this day would come, but I didn't care, I just needed a new view. I live near the beach now, but... if I just held, I'd be in a much better place. I hate myself a bit for selling.
People holding dollars instead of PMs or real estate are the real bag holders. Not only are they actively paying for those fed generated artificial interest rate negative real rate mortgages that property owners got (paid for via inflation on non property owners), they missed out on massive appreciation of property and PMs. They are literally paying the richest people to become even richer, and paying them for the privilege to get further and further away from ever owning their own home.
If you sold in 2023 or 2024 though, you basically got fucked both ways.
The last time AMD was at 2-3 USD was in late 2015 :-D
(though, I have to admit I was a student back then, but just a few weekends less with the colleagues would have made me a wealthy person)
"Backwardation" is a term that must be used here. That's where the spot price was higher than the future price.
For anyone unfamiliar, pretty much any commodity can trade under a futures contract. That means you as a producer or consumer can lock in a price at a future point. But you must come up with the commodity on that date or come up with the money and take delivery.
So imagine the spot (current) price is $70/oz but the future price is $65/oz. That means nobody is really buying at $70 when a price a month out is $65. So how does this happen/ Because dealers in the market have written futures contracts for silver they don't have and they will have to buy at the spot price to cover it at some point. They either don't want to or can't. Best case scenario, they're going to take a massive loss. Worst case, they are insolvent.
So there was little to no activity at the spot price even though it's at a record high. Refiners weren't buying.
There's a market for borrowing silver from people who have it and that market exploded this year as these dealers sought temporary relief for the futures contracts they had to cover.
All of this signaled that banks and refiners were essentially conspiring to suppress silver prices to remain solvent and that at some point the dam was going to burst.
And it did because China, who refines 60-70% of the world's silver, decided they would cease exports because of local demand for things like solar panels.
So here we are.
This all might be new to you but it's not news and it's not controversial (eg [1]).
[1]: https://www.marketwatch.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-...
did u think i was your mom i trade metals for years
incredible