American Airlines Flying Empty Airbus A321neo Across the Atlantic 20 Times
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American Airlines is flying empty Airbus A321neo aircraft across the Atlantic for training purposes, sparking discussion about the environmental impact and potential changes in transatlantic flight operations.
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There is some cargo space i guess, but maybe it's not worth the trouble as it wouldn't make any significant amount of money?
Does that airline even do any cargo operations, and thus have the know how to get cargo customers?
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Please give me my billion dollar seed investment now.
/joke
Perhaps testing a trans-Atlantic flight using a narrow-body. Currently, everyone only flies wide-body aircraft. This may be a feasibility test to fly smaller aircraft (737, A320, etc) transatlantic and train narrow-body check airmen in transatlantic crossings.
This would be an interesting change and development.
Air Canada operates YUL-EDI and YHZ-LHR on 737s, and WestJet operates YHZ-BCN, YYZ-EDI, and YYZ-DUB. And that's not even counting the dozens of flights to and from KEF (which might or might not count as TATL depending on whether you consider Iceland to be in Europe or in the middle of the Atlantic).
(I wouldn't particularly recommend it.)
Problem was that the aircraft couldn't make it back to the US on a single tank of fuel if the jet stream was too strong. Which happened a lot. So we got a nice detour to Goose Bay for refueling and nearly missed our connection. The regulars joked that YYR was the new United hub on the east coast.
I don't think UA does this much anymore. Maybe COVID killed that route too.
An erroneous ; was added. Probably not LLM.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_fleet
check out how they compare here: https://www.aviatorjoe.net/go/compare/737_MAX_10/757-200/
the 757 was the best narrow-body long-haul capable jet of the time (and it was the only one of its type that could fly LGA) but more fuel-efficient engines will do to it what the 787 did to the 747.
BOS-MAD, BOS-LHR, BOS-DUB, BOS-AMS, BOS-CDG, BOS-EDI
JFK-LHR, JFK-DUB, JFK-AMS, JFK-CDG.
Still, using narrowbodies isn't new.
Northwest Airlines would often use their new wide body aircraft for domestic operations to meet the qualification requirements to operate long distances.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Atlantic_Tracks
> That brings me to another question… I understand the need for specialized training, but does anyone know what actually happens on these transatlantic flights that couldn’t be done in a simulator or classroom? Obviously these are all pilots who already know how to fly the plane, so it’s just transatlantic operations that they’re being certified on. So is it about interacting with air traffic control, understanding the North Atlantic Tracks, etc.?
You could fly in the "vomit comet" though and do 30 consecutive seconds of Zero-G.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reduced-gravity_aircraft
https://youtu.be/Ra_khhzuFlE?si=MxkaSRaIYFvbGqil
If the training run hadn’t happened, would the renewable/nuclear plants with lower marginal costs have curtailed production before the carbon intensive plants that have higher marginal costs? That doesn’t make any economic sense. Instead, carbon intensive power made up for the shortfall in production created by the run.
If the companies that ran the training can also show me a 6000 ton brick of carbon they pulled out of the atmosphere, or equivalent early-decommissioned natural gas / coal boilers, then I’ll stand corrected.
The under-the-breath takeaway from this, is that AA is training its pilots on Airbus. Actually, it's training its pilot trainers on Airbus.
In addition to type certification for a pilot, each airline will then layer their SOPs on top of that, the "this is how -we- fly this aircraft on these types of routes".
Airlines need a certain amount of flights to keep their gate slots at airports.
Ghost flights were a thing during COVID. You had airlines burning 30,000 to 80,000 gallons of fuel and putting tons of pollution into the air for empty flights just to maintain gate slots.
I was expecting this article to be about these types of ghost flights.
> The rule: At busy airports, airlines must use their allocated takeoff and landing slots for a certain percentage of their scheduled flights (typically 80%) to retain them for the next season.
> Regulatory response: The rule was initially relaxed in March 2020 but was later reintroduced with lower thresholds, such as 50% or 70%, which still compelled airlines to operate some unnecessary flights.
When we left a few days later, we where greeted by a man at the checkout. No name tag, wearing a black suit. Spoke perfect german. Casually talking to us while we checked out. To this day I wonder if he was from Mossad or something. It was strange. It‘s pretty easy to develop some kind of paranoia in this setting.^^ Eilat itself was nice, though. Many Russians where on vacation there back in the days.
On our flight back, we boarded the plane with three other people.
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