AI Weiwei: What I Wish I Had Known About Germany Earlier
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AI Weiwei's article criticizing German culture and society sparks controversy and debate on HN, with some defending his right to criticize and others dismissing his comments as entitled and lacking nuance.
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While sometimes people use all-caps for family names (I think it’s French tradition?), I think it looks quite out-of-place and confusing in this case.
Pretty rare to do it in media.
Fun fact: I used to work with lots of Chinese people, two decades ago and mostly in France, and they loved the Chinese restaurants there. If we went out, we always went to one of the many Chinese outlets. Supposedly they were so deliciously different from food at home ;)
Germany is criticized all the time. You can read it, you can ignore it, you can disagree with parts of it, but I don't think anybody should be above criticism. Lest they think they might be #1 in everything.
https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/2953/umfrage/...
Of course there's only one people furthest away from anything. Jeez.
> Mercedes-Benz cars
You'd also sober up if you saw the bill for taking your Mercedes ownership lightly.
Especially the Germans mocking ourselves perform in English to cater to a significantly larger audience than were the Show in German. :D
It's very good.
We’re a free country after all. ;)
Let the man speak his mind, you can choose to ignore him if his opinion doesn’t please you.
Rate of economic change happened faster than the natural rate of change society, politics, culture could handle.
And "When the majority believe they live in a free society, it is often a sign that the society is not free. "
Is a pertinent observation
It reeks of over-thinking, philosophical elitism.
As someone who was raised by parents born in Communist Romania, talk to anyone born in an Authoritarian regime and they’ll tell you what the absence of freedom means like.
When it comes to assessing freedom, I’d stick closer to German-Romanian literature Nobel prize winner Hertha Müller.
Coincidentally, just like Ai Wewei she’s been living here in Berlin and seems not to feel particularly unfree.
You mean like Ai Weiwei, born in Beijing in 1957?
https://publicdelivery.org/ai-weiwei-study-of-perspective/
There are a lot of good things too in Germany, but he really nailed on the issues I witness in my daily life.
The times ive heard about him or have involuntarily had too see his art because of his astroturfed hype, this is hard to seriously
Maybe chill out for a while and pay your taxes while you are at it
Tough life, where can i sign up?
Very typical for people who have a stylized mental model of a place based on rumors and memes. Unlike for people with clean slate, they tend to be very aggressively sticking to their wrong ideas and attempt to transform it instead of building it from scratch. You can see very wrong interpretations based on layers and layers of misunderstanding and fantasies. Can be easily detected if the person speaks about the locals as if they are a different species, which is different than making an observation of the psyche.
You can see it in people who think that in US the poor straight up die when get sick or Americans who think that in Europe no one works, live off on museum tickets revenues.
It sounds like a rant of an immigrant going through the stages of adaptation(admiration->confusion->disillusionment->anger->understanding->making peace).
And I like Berlin personally, but I'd probably like it better if it actually was like the Sultanahmet district in Istanbul. Then I wouldn't have to go to the Turkish neighborhoods to find the best food when I visited there (sausages and pastries, as Weiwei says, being the exception). :-D
Did Ai Weiwei not already 'know' each of the general aphorisms he wrote in his article? What is specific to Germany about his critique and not, say, to his native China or to any other country? Why would he have 'liked to know' about these things earlier, and what impact would it have had on his life or his decisions?
The real issue for non-publication is the one he cites: "additional reflections in a more personal and light-hearted tone". This matches the general type of content in Zeit Magazin. They weren't looking for a scathing criticism of societal ills but some entertaining piece that goes well with the other easily digestible articles.
And as a German I have to say: He's bang on.
>Here, at a deserted street, people stop dutifully at a red light. Not a car in sight.
This made me chuckle as I remembered a German friend who passed a red light on a bike at 3am at a deserted street in a German college town and got fined 150 euros by an out-of-nowhere cop car.
I came from a dust road and did not fully stop on the stop sign for the main road through the valley, I had only slowed down and then made the turn.
Out of nowhere there were park ranger lights behind me. I still don't know if they were cloaked or if they teleported behind me, I don't know how I could possibly have overlooked them. Everything flat and nothing anywhere, suddenly they are there.
I don't remember if I had to pay or if it was just a warning.
Doesn't speak the language, claims the people are not free. How shallow.
There are more interesting models to build here. More interesting art to create. But hey it provoked me. Like most modern media, it made me a bit sad.
Assumedly Ai Wei Wei would have established himself in a different location if he "knew" exactly how the attitudes he mentions are manifested in the German culture.
When you read online commenters from Nordic countries, they are usually against this oppressive mindset described in the article, and ashamed for that aspect of their country. Under the guise of online anonymity, the dissenters are greater than the system loyalists. Or maybe they are even system loyalists blowing off steam.
However, Germans I see online - even under the guise of anonymity - will strongly defend and support their system. Are the German dissenters all offline, or are they way fewer than in other similar countries?
So Germans became convinced they know the exactly correct way to do things because that's how they became the top of the world. So now that things are getting worse (economy, housing etc.), many Germans are convinced they just need a bit more of the exactly correct way to do things.
The same perfectionist mindset that lets you manufacture some of the world's best physical products is the mindset that makes it impossible for the government to use the internet.
The difference from the Nordics is that Germans have had the determination to go all the way with things, which means that for almost any great invention in the world there's always a German behind it.
But when it comes to the social cohesion, I always thought that the Germans had to fake it like the Nordics do, or like people in the Soviet Union did. But more and more I start to realize it's not the case. Germans actually support their government and support the European Union (in Nordic countries you can't find 1 in 1000 people who supports the EU), and support the official ideologies in their country. Is this the case, or am I encountering Germans online in isolated spaces?
That difference is also one of 80m+ people vs. a few million for the Nordics.
> But when it comes to the social cohesion, I always thought that the Germans had to fake it like the Nordics do, or like people in the Soviet Union did. But more and more I start to realize it's not the case. Germans actually support their government and support the European Union (in Nordic countries you can't find 1 in 1000 people who supports the EU), and support the official ideologies in their country. Is this the case, or am I encountering Germans online in isolated spaces?
Germans are indeed an incredibly obedient people. Even Vladimir Lenin once said "You couldn't start the revolution in Germany because there's a sign on front of the palace that says you can't step on the lawn."
I think Germany has extreme risk aversion as a result of two world wars and being extremely invested in a status quo that put them on top. Now Germany believes they can "just one more law" themselves back to the top.
Re: EU—Germany is a massive driver and biggest contributor to the EU. A lot of the EU's bureaucracy is a German-driven mindset which assumes everything will be good if you just pass one more law.
I think it is understood that the EU could be better and is a child of many compromises, but if you want to make it better you have to say what and crucially how. Until then, why not be happy with what you have, for once.
I've heard it said that the idea that Germans are efficient is a myth. (The new Berlin airport is one example.)
Germans are, rather, *rule followers*.
Those things are highly locality dependent, since it's the "Ordnungsamt" of the local municipality that does this. In my big Bavarian city I would expect it to be very fast, from past experiences. They definitely streamlined their processes over the last two decades. For the "Einwohnermeldeamt" 2015 and then COVID forced them to, before that waiting times there were much longer, but now it's fine.
Like literally, let contrasting dissenting opinions be said and exist.
Especially on HN of all places.
I mean, you could say this of basically anywhere in northern Europe, really.
Sidenote:
> AI Weiwei
Looks like he's fallen victim to autocorrect, there.
https://www.welt.de/vermischtes/article131725640/Warum-Bayre...
Rigid rules - yes, lack of social mobility - yes, no sense of good taste for food or anything else including ethics - yes, and it's not new. But we do have dispute, sometimes pretty heated one - in parliament, in the press, among ourselves. E.g. the silence over Nord Stream is rather a silence of confusion, not fear.
He admits not knowing German in this very article, so I really wonder what Germany looks like to him. He's a great mind, but also lack of knowledge in the local language would mean an important part of reality would be missing from your picture.
He does not like some food, but likes others.
But the best bit is: Germans (the way he writes it, all Germans) have no humor.
Reads like a rant. He probably feels enraged that the f%*king establishment dares to offer him money. He is an artist. And then they have the audacity not to publish his master piece rant.
I mean, it's the expression of a personal view, that's fine. But I can see why newspapers did not want to print it. Not much there, really.
Being famous doesn’t make it ok to be an huge ass.
despite this it is clear that even Bavarians have a well developed and caustic wit