After Elon Musk Launched the 'cancel Netflix' Campaign, Netflix Shares Down 2.2%

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n4r9

3 months ago

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> Critics circulated a clip from the “Dead End: Paranormal Park” in which Barney Guttman, the series’ protagonist, comes out to his friend Norma as transgender. “I’m trans, Norma,” Barney says. “Being here, it’s like a whole new place. I can just be Barney, and I can choose if and when I tell people.” The character says he has “never been happier” and says it is important to “live your life without apology.” Libs of TikTok shared the clip and accused the show of pushing “pro-transgender” on “7-YEAR-OLDS.”

Wow. Replace "transgender" with "homosexual" and you get the homophobia of the late 20th Century. Are some people really so afraid of their kids learning that some people are happy being transgender?

rsynnott

3 months ago

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Pretty much the entire modern transphobia movement appears to be, essentially, taking 90s/early noughties-style homophobia and changing a few words. As someone who was a target the first time round it’s really very striking how similar it is.

(Interestingly, early noughties transphobia had a fairly different character; the “think of the children” aspect is fairly new.)

n4r9

3 months ago

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How would you describe the transphobia of the early noughties? For those that might have been too young to pick up on it at the time.

rsynnott

3 months ago

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Mostly either religious, or TERF stuff. By which I mean _real_ trans-exclusionary radical feminism stuff (TERF has come to have a much broader colloquial meaning). And it was _niche_. A number of European countries and US states passed gender recognition laws based on self-id, with minimal fuss. Even as late as 2015, Ireland passed such a law with no-one except the religious loons caring, while the marriage referendum around the same time attracted far more fearmongering.

This kind of moral panic around kids is new (though, as I mentioned, it very much echoes the homophobic movement a few decades ago), as is the bathrooms thing.

I’m convinced that its emergence at least in this part of the world was almost entirely due to the British right needing a new wedge issue after Brexit; you see it being suddenly pushed very hard out of nowhere there post-2016, and especially post-2021. From Britain, it leaked out, with European transphobia having a strong British flavour.

n4r9

3 months ago

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Interesting... where are you referring to when you say "this part of the world"? Britain itself, or Ireland?

rsynnott

3 months ago

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Western Europe in general really, though specifically Ireland, yeah. It hasn't caught on here to the same degree that it has in the UK, at least not for now, fortunately (politically, it's mostly the preserve of fringe weirdos, whereas it's a major-party thing in the UK at this point), but some of the talking points have definitely come over.

As to the sudden shift in the UK, Cameron and May's Conservative governments planned to introduce self-ID (and Cameron was very noisy about the UK's high rating on LGBT rights - of course it has since slid quite a bit in those rankings...), Boris was kinda transphobic but not particularly loud about it, but then by 2022 you see Penny Mordaunt basically facing a sort of transphobia purity test in her leadership campaign (https://news.sky.com/story/penny-mordaunt-dismisses-claims-a...). It was a really rapid about-face.

clessed

3 months ago

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It was May's plan to introduce gender self-ID that galvanised such a strong and rapid response against it, largely coordinated on Mumsnet, within its Feminism and Women's Rights (FWR) subforum.

In fact, the recent UK Supreme Court case which resulted in a ruling that references to "sex", "woman" and "man" in the Equality Act refer to biological sex (as in, a person's sex observed at birth), was brought by a small group of women who met on FWR.

More generally, I think much of the reason that the UK has been so successful in resisting and reversing policy that prioritises self-declared gender identity over sex is that we have a strong tradition of women's advocacy for single-sex provisions, that has been pursued regardless of other political affiliations.

n4r9

3 months ago

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We've excluded trans women from somewhere they don't pose a threat, forcing them into spaces where they are under considerable threat.

clessed

3 months ago

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What has led you to believe that?

n4r9

3 months ago

The evidence, e.g.

> Current policy debates regarding transgender people’s access to restrooms and other gendered facilities are predicated on narratives about protecting the safety and privacy of women’s spaces. These narratives lack evidence showing any negative impacts on safety and privacy in women’s restrooms or other facilities when transgender people can use restrooms according to their gender identity. However, transgender people consistently report having negative experiences in restrooms perpetrated by others, including denial of access, verbal harassment, and physical assault. Evidence suggests that transgender people are put at added risk if required by law to use restrooms in accordance with their sex assigned at birth.

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/safety-i...

rsynnott

3 months ago

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Also imposing a significant threat on cis women who don’t look sufficiently conventionally feminine for the transphobes’ tastes, tbh.

clessed

3 months ago

Not really though. This is about female and male, not feminine and masculine.

Like for example, women in prison won't have any problem if they don't look stereotypically feminine. But they certainly are under significant threat if male prisoners are locked up with them.

n4r9

3 months ago

Thanks for the info. I remember having dinner in Cambridge with a friend couple in what must have been the early 2010s; the woman was involved in local Labour politics but both were very opinionated about single-sex spaces, and there had been some scandal around someone taking the piss by identifying as a woman only on council meeting days and campaigning for women's officer. It felt very mumsnet.

dzhiurgis

3 months ago

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Homosexuality doesn't make you permanently infertile tho.

n4r9

3 months ago

Fair point, that is a difference. Transitioning is a significant change and not to be taken lightly. That said, fertility can be preserved by freezing sperm or eggs. It's offered on the NHS as part of the gender transition process.

jsheard

3 months ago

> Are some people really so afraid of their kids learning that some people are happy being transgender?

Elon disowned his trans daughter Vivian, so yes. It doesn't matter to him that she is happy, what matters is that this isn't what he wanted, and now he's lashing out at the world for letting this injustice happen to him.

Vivian alleges that Elon uses sex-selective IVF with a preference for boys, implying those control freak tendencies go back to before she was even born. He didn't just want a son, he demanded one, and then that child turning the tables on him broke his brain.

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