Joseph Campbell Meets George Lucas – Part I (2015)
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The fascinating intersection of mythology and pop culture is on full display as fans dissect the influence of Joseph Campbell's work on George Lucas's Star Wars saga. Commenters eagerly shared related content, from a humorous short film called "George Lucas in Love" to a video essay exploring the mythological themes in Star Wars and Knights of the Old Republic. As the discussion unfolded, some commenters playfully pointed out that Lucas wasn't the only one drawing from mythological and sci-fi influences, with nods to Frank Herbert's "Dune" and A.E. van Vogt's "Voyage of the Space Beagle." Amidst the nostalgia and references, a lively debate emerged about Lucas's storytelling abilities and the role of editors in shaping the final product.
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And Campbell knew a good thing when he saw it, happy to agree that Lucas' film represented a hero's journey.
This was a time when Campbell's writing was entering broad pop consciousness and his speaking engagement schedule was starting to grow: the massive popularity of Star Wars was a great ship to catch a ride on.
Or you could say 'I should stop drinking milk, because I'm somewhat intolerant' and he'd say, 'ahh, yes, you're in the middle of the hero's journey, on the precibus of learning to set your desires aside for the betterment of your health'
Any story with conflict becomes the hero's journey, and what stories worth telling don't have some kind of conflict. 'Proto-story' nonsense.
Finally from what I know Cambell ended up living on Skywalker Ranch. I see no reason to minimize connection.
Either way, I wouldn’t be surprised if Campbell was the one making the connections—between Life of Milarepa (which, in my opinion, is the closest pre Campbell example of the hero’s journey to Campbell’s original framing) and The Wizard of Oz. Meaning the stories all have the parts of the journey but the Life Milarepa has a 1 to 1 correlation.
> The monomyth is Campbellian imperialism. It's an appropriation of things he despises -- 'dreamlike mumbo jumbo', 'mystic[s]', and 'bizarre Eskimo fairy tale[s]' -- normalising them in an effort to make them tolerable
Jung, who is as associated with dreams as anyone, was one of campbell's greatest influences. Campbell deeply revered dreams, and you could probably find 1000 references of him talking about that's where myths come from.
I think Campbell is the pop version of The Golden Bough. I have only read a little of the The Golden Bough but is so immense, alien and unrelatable. I have also read how James George Frazer was also "wrong". As if the conclusions of a 19th century Victorian somehow negates the 12 volumes of collected mythology. Independent thought and reasoning though is not a strength of those prone to scientism.
No scholar of folklore, anthropology, or any related field working today takes anything he wrote seriously.
Fun read though.
It's also just total BS, I'm sorry. Most writers do not lie down and dream, and then wake up and write what they experienced (though that is a practice for some people). The art of storytelling is a conscious act of artistic creation. This is true of every written version we have of every myth. We are never getting some kind of direct access to some universal dream world. We're getting as much of the Beowulf Poet or "Homer" or J, E, P, and D as anything else.
I don't know what Jung has to do with anything. But if helps, I also think he was a crank, and the collective unconscious is a neat metaphor and nothing more.
Well worth the watch: https://youtu.be/OI2iOB8ydGo?si=hDUzjVXIzjI9zR0V
Well, that wasn’t to be, unfortunately.
"George Lucas in Love - short movie - Star Wars" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ49Smi2SLQ