Youtube's CEO Limits His Kids' Social Media Use – Other Tech Bosses Do the Same
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As YouTube's CEO joins the ranks of tech bosses limiting their kids' social media use, commenters are sparking a lively debate about parental responsibility and the impact of screen time on children. Some, like michaeljx, argue that it's a matter of instilling discipline and structure, while others, like jasonsb, point out that the privileged kids of billionaires have vastly different resources to deal with the consequences. The discussion takes a darker turn with comments like politelemon's, who provocatively labels giving young kids iPads as "a form of abuse," prompting concinds to counter that it's more a case of emotional neglect. The conversation highlights the complexities of navigating technology's role in parenting.
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I try to do a total blockade of YT at home for kids. Watching other kids be hypnothized by the feed years ago was enough. The algorithm seems to converge to unboxing videos and surreal spam.
We should be clearer on what it means. An iPad will satisfy their need for stimulation but not their developmental emotional and social needs, nor their fine motor skills and executive functioning skills (and it likely harms the latter two, unlike old-school toys). Boredom and non-excessive stimulation levels are essential to letting the child’s inner world develop. Giving young kids iPads so they’ll be quiet is a normalized form of neglect.
In this occurrence I mean "distract the kids with something such that they don't hurt them self, fight or destroy stuff so the parent can do X" such as doing the disches or resting.
Not like, great at raising the kids in some moral sense. In which YT etc is terrible.
I cheat on fancy restaurants and might hand the kids some screen to give us a chance to finnish the meal. Stuff like that, but overused.
I'd say it's closer to outright abuse. One of the better things you can do is a parent is seek out a community where this sort of thing is frowned upon. It's much harder to control when those around you think it's ok. I wish that were easier for people to find.
Are you talking about Kanye West ? also can you expand what this means? "plugs the laptop mic with a dud cable"
I think what they're getting at is people close to the situation (not sure why Ye is in the privacy discussion, but Zuck certainly is) don't trust the controls in place.
I've never heard of "Ye" as meaning "Yeah" but I'm not as online as I once was (also from the US, maybe this is used elsewhere)
An iPad addiction is arguably better than being sedated so you don't bother your parents.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=brainrot
The best definition I see is
> the crippling addiction to low effort content
But also have seen it used plenty to refer to the low effort content itself
Brainrot is a small portion of social media
As compared to what? To no exposure? Or to unlimited exposure?
I never would have thought there was value in a lot of things I was forced to learn at that age. Even for the stuff that hasn't had practical application in my life (flying buttress, for example), I wouldn't retroactively reduce how much learning I was expected to complete.
3 things should be studied: screens for kids, short-form video for teens, and non-shortform peer-group social media (what teens had from 2008-2015 or so). I bet we’ll see very different impacts from each.
Dangerous for different reasons. Unregulated screen time for young kids teaches their brain to expect stimulation at all times, and will usually increase their discomfort when they don't have it.
We try really hard to limit screen time to a couple times a week for max 30-45 minutes. Nothing saddens me more than seeing a totally content kid in public being sat down and handed a screen as the default (because it's 'easier' for the parent), depriving them of enjoying the world. Also see a lot of young kids who will cry and cry until they get it.
I do strongly agree with the cigarette analogy though. I have actually said before that I think we would all be better off if social media use was both legally and socially treated like smoking. (Not to say I think we should be age gating websites because that opens a whole other can of worms, but it would probably be better for societal mental health if we did).
Not acknowledging that this stuff is hard, and being made unnecessarily hard by commercial interest show a lack of understand and respect for the situations. These also aren't bad parents, they try, but it's an uphill battle for many.
Dig a little deeper CNBC.
Do toy manufacturers let their kids play with their toys 24 hours a day and not go outside or do homework? Video game devs? Parents are supposed to help their kids limit their time in everything.
‘He stressed “everything in moderation”’
I bet toy manufacturers have never had to think: "is this toy bad for my child's development?"
It doesn't mean kids should never get an x-ray.
Sometimes moderation means complete abstinence but generally not.
See how uninteresting and obvious that is?
I wanted to eat unlimited junk food when I was a kid but my parents wouldn't let me.
You can change it even to unlimited protein shakes. It is the same point. It is almost like kids are kind of stupid if you let them do whatever they want.
Your analogy was more apt than you could ever imagine.
>He stressed “everything in moderation” is what works best for him and his wife, and that extends to other online services and platforms.
>YouTube’s former CEO Susan Wojcicki, also barred her children from browsing videos on the app, unless they were using YouTube Kids. She also limited the amount of time they spent on the platform.
So they're not completely banning their kids from using YouTube. The current YouTube CEO uses a time limit. The previous YouTube CEO uses a time limit and limits usage to the YouTube Kids app.
Disclosure: I work at Google but not on YouTube.
Most content creators I've heard of appreciate those who subscribe to YouTube premium. 55% of the cost goes to creators.
If I could pay YouTube for the privilege of using an app where I choose exactly which videos are available, and no other video will ever appear on or can be accessed from that app, then I might pay for it.
IMO the only way YouTube can be kid-friendly is if there is an app where the primary utility is the ability to whitelist on a per video basis. There could be convenience methods like whitelisting an entire channel's videos with one action, but the whitelist needs to be built around a per video model.
Last I checked, they had nothing remotely like this as an option.
Approved content only mode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMAFnTANx6A / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXxGWD_dtL0 / https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=michio+kaku+3i+...
https://www.youtube.com/intl/ALL_us/kids/parent-resources/
Have your home server note when the kids are watching one of your mirrored channels and launch a browser on a computer the kids cannot see that is watching the same video on YouTube without an ad blocker.
The video creators then get exactly the same ad revenue and view counts they would have gotten had the kids used YouTube.
So the tech leaders preach moderation but the design of all these apps are built to be addictive and to maximize the time that other people and other people’s kids spend on it. It seems to be poor kids who have overworked stressed parents who seem to spend the largest chuck of time endlessly scrolling on these apps harming their minds and mental health and so on
https://www.youtube.com/intl/ALL_us/kids/parent-resources/
Every cellphone already comes with the ability to limit those things. It doesn’t require coming home from work early to toggle parental controls at a certain time.
The problem is childcare not knowledge.
Literally every other country provides significantly more childcare and solves problems instead of going on endless Ayn Randian lectures. Please stop.
The real purpose is to build broad consensus for surveillance, control and censorship of social media, "to protect the children" is the thing they tell you to justify it. They are recognizing they have lost the narrative control. How do you manufacture consent for war and genocide when you have completely lost young people, they see the wall of carnage and dead children and will not be persuadable by the legacy media telling them to close their eyes and ears.
You don’t have to put your kids in front of a TV or tablet. You can simply establish boundaries and leave them to themselves. They will engage in imaginative play for hours on end just like kids have for thousands of years.
Source: my kids have been doing it since 5AM while I lay in bed.
I know this is HN and the everything-as-a-service mentality is prevalent, but come on.
I’m on board with some of their rules, but no listening to prerecorded music is where they lose me.
Edit: there is a Swedish documentary about one of the schools my brother went to.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14688132
The Fix: Lock it Down:
Go to Settings > Screen Time.
Tap Turn On Screen Time (if not already on) and set it up for your child.
Tap Use Screen Time Passcode and create a passcode that the child doesn't know.
Go to Content & Privacy Restrictions (under Screen Time) and turn it on.
Tap Allowed Apps (to disable camera/other apps if needed) and Change Restrictions.
Under Content & Privacy Restrictions, find Date & Time Changes and set it to Don't Allow Changes or Require Password.
Simplest example to point this out is if the parental controls only had things to limit phone usage generally without per app controls.
I find having conversations with parents at school and the parents of their friends leads to the best results (so far, I’ve only been at it a few years for my kiddos so we’ll see I guess longterm). If you’re all vaguely on the same page it just makes things a little easier. If that’s not an option, then just don’t be the first person to buy one and when all their peers start having certain technology you give them access too, but you sit down and talk to them about it or find ways to restrict the faucet.
For instance, when it became clear YouTube was not going to be completely eradicated from my house, I just ripped a few videos and added them to my Plex server. They get to watch a little bit of nonsense content, but they’re not just getting flooded with more of it constantly (or ads). As a result those YT videos are just one among several things they watch. It isn’t special or all consuming.
Video games have also been interesting. Most of the parents I know have, like me, adopted to use older stuff and/or just not let them get on the Internet.
Ultimately at some point you have to do some combination of “controlling the faucet,” watching what your kids are watching so you know what’s going on, and ultimately educating them/giving them context to the media they are enjoying. No shortcuts!
Third grade and it’s already happening: My kid has already had trouble in his social circle at school because we made him cut back his Roblox time by a lot. It’s not even that anyone plays at school, but supposedly almost all the boys (and many girls) are playing after school.
It’s still up to the parent to enforce limitations even if you can distract them with other things.
My kid is disappointed, but it's fine. She has friends play the games she does have and she has a lot of other games. She had a lot of other ways to socialize with them. I honestly don't see roblox as different than any other social fad. Roblox is just the default digital hangout spot for kids, but it doesn't have to be for your kid's friend circle.
Yeah - they do ask for more time here and there. But it’s pretty well controlled and they adjust to it
I’d rather they walk to their friends’ place. But now they make the plan and then walk to where they need to be.
By far the most distracting thing for kids is persistent notifications. Snap is the worst for this, but messaging apps are a close second.
Study: Average teen received more than 200 app notifications a day https://www.michiganmedicine.org/health-lab/study-average-te...
I’m glad they exist but they could be so much better.
My son is too young to use a phone but I plan to use screentime when he’s ready for a phone.
I use screen time for myself, with a 1minute limit for weekdays and 1 hour limit for weekends, for all social media, news and media consumption apps, and my wife has the password (because I have zero self control)
Sorry, but that's where you're wrong (at least, if you mean enforcing effective limits). What you're asking is for parents to spend their scarce time and energy on fighting a technical battle, against a system that is designed to capture attention, and kids with nothing but energy and time.
>But it’s pretty well controlled and they adjust to it
Or they did 10 seconds of googling and have all the access they want.
The news is that the CEO of youtube is saying that Youtube is something that should be limited and he thinks harm will come to his children if he does not. This may be obvious to people on this site but a lot of normal people think it’s fine. It’s shocking as for a lot of people it’s more like “CEO of cucumber farm limits cucumbers for their child!” As that’s how Google markets youtube for kids.
It wasn’t healthy for kids to just play video games every day for 5hrs straight after school in the 90s either.
The research on social media indicates that it lowers attention span and increases anxiety, depression, and anger. And my personal opinion is it's the reason we're seeing crazy things that I can't fathom happening without it like the measles resurgence.
Neither should be used for 5 hours a day but the consequences don't seem comparable to me. The only place they do align is you should probably be exercising more instead.
Lots of parents limited their kids' TV (television, you know) time back in the day (mine sure did, thanks mum and dad, even though I didn't particularly approve of the restriction back then).
Now you have to limit smartphone (and tablet and PC and TV) time. Lots of parents do this already, CEOs are not alone.
At least, most well compensated.
Shame on you, if you work for these organisations.
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