The Copenhagen Trap: How the West Made Passivity the Only Safe Strategy
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Some excerpts that are particularly obvious:
> Approve a drug that kills: massive public scandal, congressional hearings, career destruction—the action is visible, attributable, punishable. Delay a drug that would save lives: invisible deaths, no scandal, no attribution—the people who died waiting never become a story.
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> The mechanics:
> *Interaction implies liability*: Help a homeless person imperfectly → criticized for the imperfection
> *Profit implies guilt*: Sell cheap water in a drought → "profiteer," "monster"
> *Ignorance implies innocence*: Ignore the problem entirely → zero criticism
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> The Copenhagen Trap doesn't just affect decisions. It affects *who makes decisions*. This is not about individual choices. It is about civilizational selection pressure.
Just because em-dash usage is the latest trend in "spot the AI" doesn't mean that everything with an em-dash is AI generated.
t. someone who uses a lot of em-dashes and doesn't plan to stop
The Danish penal code § 253[1] punishes people with up to 2 years in prison, those who - without high risk to themselves or others - intentionally do not help someone after ability, who is clearly life threatened.
Additionally, the Danish rules of the road § 9[2] have rules for acting in the event of an accident; specifically, that they have a duty to help.
[1] https://www.retsinformation.dk/eli/lta/2025/1294#P253 [2] https://www.retsinformation.dk/eli/lta/2024/1312#P9
Weird use of "the West" here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YORxs9E2Ex0
is unremarkable save for the fact that the rest of the world thought it unusual.
Many people are members of volunteer organisations, SES (Search and Rescue), St. John's (Ambulance and medical first responce), VFRS (Volunteer Firefighters) etc.
Many year later in life I lived in Manhattan, where you could literally have a frail old lady being beat up in front of a crowd of grown men and everyone would either pretend they didn't see anything or at most pull out their phones to record it.
I don't know what my old town is like today, but a few years ago I was on a bus in Latin America far from any large cities and a pickpocket robbed someone, the passengers on the bus seized the guy, beat him up, striped him naked, and the bus driver slowed down and opened the door while they shoved him out onto the curb.
IIRC, someone drowned, and someone else filmed it on camera instead of helping, and ended up on trial for "non assistance".
I can't seem to dig up the actual story, but I think it was in the mid 90s.
Edit: I think it was the story of Marie-Noëlle Guillerné's drowning.
> This is not a human universal. Continental Civil Law systems (France, Germany) criminalize failure to rescue
Might want to phrase "western institutions" a bit more precisely. The parts of Europe I know have good protections for Samaritans & the article itself even acknowledges some of this too.
> You try to save them. You succeed, but break their rib doing CPR. Legally: they can sue you. Morally: "was that level of force really necessary?"
Both legally and morally, yes that level was necessary as ribs routinely break during CPR.
You are not allowed to use let's say knife to protect yourself from random attack on the street.
Actually attacking some random person in the middle of the day (sucker punch) is not even a crime prosecuted by the law... Even if you are bleeding and the attack is not provoked in any way.
Insanity
Like anon908 I also thought this was llm-generated, but unlike him I thought it was still a worthwhile read.
> You try to save them. You succeed, but break their rib doing CPR. Legally: they can sue you. Morally: "was that level of force really necessary?"
Many countries have legal safeguards against these kinds of suits.
> You watch someone drown. You do nothing. Legally: no liability. Morally: "tragic, but not your fault."
And many countries have legal safeguards against not helping.
If a very weak person does not have the strength to perform CPR, they should not feel guilty for failing to perform it.
You also have to consider the costs involved. Somewhere out there is a homeless person who is going to die in the cold tonight. I’m not vastly wealthy, but I could afford to save them if I dropped everything I was doing, searched for them, and found them in time. It is in my power to save them, but at great personal expense. Therefore, I do not hold myself morally responsible for not doing so.
Now consider the billionaire. By merely uttering the command, the smallest effort, they could feed, house, provide medical care, and educate an enormous number of people in poverty. Remember what Uncle Ben said. With great power comes great responsibility. The blood is on their hands.
Yes, CPR breaks ribs as a routine thing https://www.cprcoursebrisbane.com.au/does-cpr-break-ribs/#el... legal standards acknowledge that fact and moral ones should too.
Also, duty to help does exist all over the "west". And even where it does not exist, good samaritan laws are not merely a sidenote, they in fact protect people when providing help.
The United States, thankfully, is not the same as the universe, as much as Americans find that hard to believe.
All too frequently do people wait for the mace of circumstance than to act and risk the reed of agency.
I revised the essay, my priors were off. Added Good Samaritan data (zero successful CPR lawsuits in 30 years), duty-to-rescue statutes across Europe, and a new section on self-defense showing the trap cuts across Common Law/Civil Law (UK restrictive, Germany/Poland permissive).
The author is ignoring a phenomenon that is so closely related I would just call it the same thing: interacting isn't necessary.
Just mentioning that a problem is likely to occur is, in general, enough to get you blamed for causing the problem.
I'm choosing to translate "the system" here as the entrenched bureaucracy that has grown up in the Western world in the last century.
More patriotic leaders have emerged where elections remain meaningful, and those leaders are ruthlessly attacked by "the system".
Which is an ironically non-passive behavior mode.