EU Set to Adopt ChatControl Negotiating Mandate Tomorrow without Discussion
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Basically, the same as before re: invasive searches of your property except now surrounded by weasel wording so it seems voluntary but won't be. But the same mandatory dox'ing yourself for future corporate leaks.
If such a mandate is given, a trilogue between Commission, Council and EU Parliament usually starts.
It is basically a regulatory union, constructed so as to transpose power to the center, then hold it there.
We can't allow the people to have too much say, as that is "populism", which gets in the way of the bureaucracy doing its thing.
The only way to end / prevent this from being repeated until "success" is to pass another treaty entrenching that something like Chat Control is forbidden.
That is an extremely low probability event, and gets lower as more member states join.
That'll work about as well as "shall pass no law", "papers and effects" and "infringed".
You gotta mean it. Everyone's gotta mean it. And by mean it I mean not nice things.
>to try and try and try ... against all odds. Doesn't make any sense to discuss that on a bi-yearly basis.
This is quite naive. These people know what they are doing and it isn't too uncommon to consider certain packages of law multiple times.
https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/
Used to be that you could get pretty decent amounts of both in pretty rich nations but not anymore.
You realise this hasn’t passed, right? It’s a proposal. Seriously you should look to yourself and what you guys actually pass into law before you start throwing stones at others.
Basically, the EU gives you the rules up front and the USA decides after the fact.
My point is that there is zero chance of this unpopular legislation being repealed once the EU have forced it through.
I would rather take my chances in a sovereign parliamentary democracy. I know the UK has draconian anti privacy laws on the statute books and have retained a lot of EU rules by default. But we still cling to the belief that parliaments cannot bind the hands of future parliaments, and we expect manifestos to be published and debated prior to elections. A lot of this has been pushed to the background while the UK has been governed by incompetent untrustworthy technocrats cut from the same cloth as the Eurocrats they yearn to be, but a political tsunami is on the way. You can feel it. The globalist establishment will rage against it as ghastly Populism, but I see it as a renaissance of Democracy. It gives me hope that unpopular laws can be amended or repealed.
You seem to be a different person to GP.
> My point is...
No, that is your opinion. There is no evidence that this will ever be "forced" through in any form that would erode current rights.
> I would rather take my chances...
By all means do. It seems like you don't even understand how your own country works, never mind the EU.
Good luck getting your EU Commission to change their mind about something they really want. The "right" voting buttons will be pushed eventually. But I suspect you already know that.
The "Chat control" proposal was already withdrawn. This proposal is already very much reduced in scope - it doesn't have client-side scanning, for example. It will continue to be watered down until it either has no erosion of individual rights and freedoms or gets washed away.
It's still unclear whether it really is removed. They turned scanning into something voluntary, and then said big chat providers must do _something_ to monitor abuse. It seems _very_ likely that the regulatory bodies/courts will decide that the bar they must clear to meet this "something" is client-side scanning.
And I agree that the regulation still has a lot of hoops to jump through to be implemented, and will likely be further tweaked. But it's _very_ important to keep raising our concerns, otherwise there will be no pressure to change the currently problematic legislation.
EVERYTHING is unclear, because they have literally only just received a negotiating mandate to discuss the idea. This isn't even a proposal that will reach parliament in its current form.
> It seems _very_ likely... client-side scanning
Actually, it seems almost completely UNLIKELY due to the basic rights afforded EU citizens. The last time legislation was passed that eroded privacy it was repealed by the ECJ (albeit many years later).
> it's _very_ important to keep raising our concerns
I totally agree
> the currently problematic legislation.
which current legislation are you referring to?
Privacy or bust.