Postman Which I Thought Worked Locally on My Computer, Is Down

Don't you love how slimeballs cant help themselves though? Instead of just letting free and easy happen the one time a year they go down... they just spit in everyones face to remind them now they have time to go find an alternative

If you give a man a fish he eats for a day, but if you teach a man to fish you give up your monopoly on fisheries.

It used to considered vile that drug dealers tried to hook their users and force dependence... turns out that they were just ahead of the curve.

Everyone accepted because it slowly became standard tool. I have business guys using postman and sharing collections is kind of must.

I hate it, for myself I don’t use it but when having to share API stuff I have to use it because that’s what other people understand.

Good for postman business, bad for everyone.

$dayjob sent an email to everyone with postman installed and asked us to uninstall when postman switched to online. $dayjob IT still maintains a wiki page and includes it on the banned software list. Used to be ubiquitous over there.

'Telemetry' that, among other offenses, secretly leaks customer secrets that they expressly claim to protect, according to that post.

"needs"...

Hey, I'm the creator of Yaak! Let me know how it could be even better :)

Isomnium is even better, although it's been archived.

was going to say "what makes this better than Insomnia" before i saw this!

> Having created and sold Insomnia in 2019

I fell in love with Insomnia pre-acquisition so I'm thrilled to see it has a spiritual successor. Good on you Greg.

off topic, sorry: Looking at the docs and I don't find a quick answer. I really want an API client that will do OAuth and handle token refresh, and I haven't found one. The use case is that (obviously) I control the redirect URI, so I'd like to map it back to client (some kind of proxy that I run and make external with all of the requisite DNS and TLS) or maybe via a hosted service (which I'm willing to accept for the convenience.)

I haven't used postman or insomnia in a while since they went to the cloud, so I could just be missing it, but that's also a non-starter for me.

Been using Yaak for 6-9 months now, initially built from source, but now a paying subscriber. Recently saw that you post open metrics[1] on subscriber count and revenue, and love getting a little look behind the curtains.

[1]: https://yaak.app/open

Curious to know more about the commercial licensing scheme for Yaak: if i’ve read correctly, purchasing a pro license if based on « good faith » as the features are exactly the same as the MIT licensed Hobby version?

Sincere question, been studying lots of OSS commercial licensing and always wonder what works in which context

I was looking at Yaak, and wondering if you've plans to bring it inside VS Code some day?

how would someone use this in a project that operates within VS Code Remote where the source sits on a remote server and isn't physically on the file system.

You should consider updating your free license to allow some time period of professional use, otherwise it's not possible to evaluate it at work without violating the license.

Very cool.

Can you provide clarity on is a commercial license is needed. The license appears to be MIT but the yaak.app website gives the impression a license is required, even stating as such in FAQ.

So you sold insomnia, sold it, and then created another competing tool? There where no restrictions in the deal?

You're already going down the path Postman did. No way I'm using that.

Hey Greg!

Just noticed that with my star on GitHub it now has over 9000 stars!

This looks great. If you can wait 8 years before you sell out, that should be long enough for me to retire. Give me a headsup if they offer you a billion earlier so I can start looking for Yaak's replacement.

Thanks for making this. May this stay un-enshittified by VC money for a very long time.

Currently using Bruno. Saw your comparison. If Bruno has everything I need, what would you say is your biggest benefit compared to Bruno?

This looks awesome! I've been wondering what to do with Insomnia since its enshittification.

One idea: since you are doing good-faith licenses anyway, maybe you could add in the possibility to pay for some kind of one-time license? I don't particularly need or want updates from my API tool, I just want it to work and not break. I would be fine with paying a one time commercial license that gives non expiring right to use a particular version.

Hey Greg! Can you clarify that building from source and using in a commerical environment is permissable under the MIT license? I have built from source and yet the program is under "trial mode" currently and looks to have a 30 day ticker of doom. Is this a bug? Is there a flag missing? I cannot find any detailed instructions on setting flags or environment variables to turn this off.

Thanks!

Hey @gschier this is awesome. I've been a long time user of Insomnia and since the acquisition it's ever so slowly, well... it's been a challenge for me.

I didn't know you created Yaak!

I just downloaded Yaak and it's been awesome, thank you!

I downloaded this through AUR on Arch and one bit of feedback is that I wish you'd make the sig verification a whole bunch easier, thanks!

Hey thanks, this looks great. I'm still on Paw but I've been looking for something new since it's been languishing as "RapidAPI" for years.

One thing I despise about postman is how much friction there is to creating a new request. In my line of work, I'm often using an API client as a scratch pad to validate /poc. At the same time, it would be nice to just have a simple "history" that I could go back and search if I needed to find some request I made a few weeks ago.

That Hotdog theme is stunning but I'm not sure if I mean "it's beautiful" or "it makes my head hurt."

Hey, happy user of Yaak here, thanks for building this. Wish you success and peace.

Quick request, if it's doable: would you mind making a portable version of this? We're super locked down on our machines (even as developers), and all programs that need to be installed need to be approved. Portable programs fly under the radar, so they're easier to try discreetly, then we can make an official request to get them approved or buy a license.

Edit: oh my, you also made Insomnia, that I used when Postman was on the enshittification path...

First time hearing about this app, sounds like it totally fits my use case. Gotta give it a try!

Enshittification, happens to every venture or private equity backed business

That is true of many software companies these days.

It’s annoying that the marketing and brand recognition has worked so well. My whole company uses postman and it’s a huge uphill battle to use anything else.

There are SO many alternatives. It’s curl UI wrapper with secrets* management! Why do we all need enterprise licenses??

*and the secrets were all exposed in logs!!

The vscore one is a plugin from some random person, to be called built in

A lot of organizations have very large suites of postman collections that serve as API documentation, regression and QA testing… they often heavily rely on the postman Javascript libraries and have custom code embedded directly in the collection.

In our case, some non-devs use http apis too, notably QA. Bruno currently fills that role.

TIL about .http files. Thank you :)

Converted a bunch stuff just laying in my shell history into actual actionable files finally :D

Last time I checked, they don’t support the exact same format in each product.

Thus, we stick with hurl.

QA seems to stick to robot framework instead. Some use Bruno.

> could have been a 10 Megabyte TUI app

Wow, in a world dominated by gigabytes of electron application, people thinks 10 MB is the optimal size for a simple utility TUI app.

As a reference, (from archlinux repo), vim’s install package is 2.3MB, curl is 1.2MB, lua (the complete language interpreter) is 362KB

> even this kind of app manages to bring in Electron

Probably because it began as an chrome addon before it was "standalone".

Posting has been the most lucrative option for me so far, but it'll take me some time to get used to the keybindings.

Because enteprise type devs love this shit

Wow, I've been looking for a postman/Bruno/foo replacement that I could use inside a remote ssh server or remote dev containers in vs code. This might be it!

Oooh this is neat! I've been using hurl (https://hurl.dev/) for the last few years and while it's fun, I've ended up with a ton of text files floating around a folder instead of any kind of organization. Might have to try this.

not possible once you sign away your allegiance to a VC

When Postman started becoming shit, I started using Insomnia, which is also turning into shit now.

One of the things I've thought about for startups are things with the general theme of "complete control over your data", how could I write something like this into the articles of incorporation (or similar) to make some of those values at least somewhat irrevocable?