Dismissed as a Joke, Uk's First Rice Crop Ripe for Picking After Hot Summer
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The UK has successfully grown its first rice crop in the Fens region, sparking discussion about the feasibility of rice production in the UK and its implications for food security and climate change.
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I guess the point of the experiment was with climate and increasing flooded landscape (like the fens?) But the risk would be salt incursion as much as anything else.
If it's climate (temperature) alone, it didn't need paddy fields. I think a lot of Australian rice is irrigated but not full flooded fields, or a reduced flood compared to traditional approaches. More amenable to massive fields and a water storage system. Recently saw a cotton farm at St George and the (huge!) fields are groomed with a laser level to control for irrigation flow, I think they do the same for rice, when it makes sense.
If it dries out it shrinks, and the organic content is consumed generating CO₂
K₂SO₄ - not the imperial droid
https://www.google.com/search?q=2+subscript+unicode
The free version works OK, and for 99p it can do something fancy, I’m not sure what though.
Subscripts especially for CO₂, has been irksome for me for ages.
Rice is grown in Southern France and Northern Italy. So it is unsurprising that this may be moving North, as summers het warmer, and this summer was almost Mediterranean in England.
I wonder what the risk is of rising sea levels to this project?
Fun fact: the English tried to drain the fens a few times on their own, but only succeeded once someone had the bright idea to involve the Dutch.
..? Is Japan and Korea tropical for the British?
The BBC seems to love to ram in a climate change narrative in every possible hole it can find. While it's a serious problem, trying to fit it into every story just starts to make me skeptical of every climate change related things they report
It probably has a lot less to do with air temperature and more to do with amount of precipitation and humidity. You also don't have bamboo growing in Europe or the Mediterranean. It's not because it's not hot enough in Italy or Egypt
Just look at some other BBC article and they explain there is a impending water shortage in Britain.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj939kpnvx8o
This isn't an indictment of science or scientists, but of science reporting. If the story is climate-change related then it's reported. If it's not, then they find some climate change related angle. If they can't then the story is usually dropped.
My guess is that the underlying issue is funding.
I also think there are often communication failures from many scientists - for example failing to distinguish between personal opinion, consensus opinion, and well proven things.
On top of that, of course, individual scientists are still fallible and biased like any human being, especially about things they feel strongly about.
A good journalist would speak to multiple people in the field with different opinions, ask them questions like how well proven a theory actually is, etc. Pity they are not more common!
Should science journalist hold themselves to a better, special standard? True. Especially with the age old war that's waged on it by those who hold power through selling incredibly unscientific world views. But I think the overt actions these forces are more to blame than poor science journalism. People don't like inconvenient facts, people will forever be victims to a voice making a problem go away by denying the problem even exists.
That's pretty interesting and relevant. Doesn't seem like they're shoehorning it in at all.
No idea what the point here is? Was it to demonstrate that the BBC‘s grasp of botany is poor?
Bamboo grows just fine in Europe. In the UK, some even argue it should be considered an invasive species.
Sure, that's one way to put it. If you don't know the topic you're reporting on, then maybe don't report on it? I'm not a botanist, and I can smell the BS already.
To their credit, they do link a paper which I assume explains things better (though a cursory look seems to show it's not really about rice)
And furthermore.. if you're reporting on some science, and you're not an expert.. it helps to ask people not associate with the research for an outside assessment. Science reporting at the BBC is a disaster. Nothing is fact checked. They just ask the researchers and eat up whatever is said and add a layer of sensationalism on top. It's the same across all their writing and podcast/radio programs.
I enjoy their Behind the Stats podcast:
https://www.bbc.com/audio/series/p02nrss1
(though also often sloppy)
I think b/c politicians are expected to lie. Whereas scientists are viewed as naiive cute furry animals that wouldn't spin the truth. You never hear them take a scientist to task or ask probing questions. It's really a different type of interview - where the holy gurus of academia are blessing the reporter with knowledge
Am I missing some irony or subtle sarcasm here? You're attacking the BBC for being inaccurate - with an argument containing a claim which is not just inaccurate but completely false - about the habitats which support growing bamboo.
> and I can smell the BS already
Where is this BS? You haven't identified a single sentence containing a scientific inaccuracy as far as I can see.
"Smell" is a weasel word - a way of avoiding the effort of actually presenting an argument or evidence - or even using the opportunity for some introspection about your own emotional reaction to an article because it mentions climate change.
I've read the article - it uses the usual light entertainment style favored by the BBC - which is the reason I don't bother with the BBC at all. But unless you're actually offended by being reminded of the existence of AGW, I can't see anything at all offensive, inaccurate or false in it.
The privatised water companies chose to stop building additional reservoir capacity. From what I've read, the UK pipes currently leak about the same percentage of the water going through them, as the percentage by which the population went up since privatisation.
It's money and incentives, not a property of the geography.
The UK has small fields and complex land ownership arrangements which mean the 100,000 acre farms of the USA won't happen there.
Overall, I think that unless the UK wants to subsidize rice production or use big Japan-like rice import tariffs, the rice industry is dead-in-the-water.
Maybe there's a little market for restaurants and high value products which want to advertise 'under 100 food miles' or similar. But such things tend to be very economically inefficient, so the government would be wise to discourage such production.
I agree it shouldn't be "discouraged" (as a private enterprise) but it seems reasonable to debate whether they should receive subsidies or grants etc.
EDIT: this looks more like research than production, so I think it makes sense for it to be supported by grants.
Eg potatoes grown for eating are almost completely unregulated and unsubsidised in the EU. Similar with grapes grown for eating. In comparison with potatoes grown for starch and wine grown for grapes. It's crazy.
... but then again, many industries do too. Libertarian tech bros think they are "self made" even in fact the government supported them with absolutely massive support, from government tech purchasing to supporting R&D and higher education to tax breaks to deregulation and more.
Rant off.
Though I'm not sure what you are trying to say with your comment? Just because someone is in favour of reducing subsidies, doesn't necessary mean they want to abolish the government?
Just like Bob being in favour of a weightloss diet for a morbidly obese Alice, friend doesn't mean Bob wants their normal sized friend Charlie to starve himself to death (nor does Bob want Alice to continue losing weight once she reached a healthy weight).
>Why should the goverment discourage
These are government measures to encourage rice production, not discourage it.
Absurd comment. Governments should subsidise local food production to whatever extent necessary, especially when it's economically inefficient, because stable staple food supplies should not be external dependencies.
And you can still have efficient food production in the UK, it's just that small artisanal "under 100 food-miles" farming is inefficient.
There's plenty of problems reminiscent of the 30s after the whole chain has been kicked around due to labour from Brexit, supply due to Brexit, access to markets from Brexit and then the joy of dealing with the cv19 lockdowns.
The sector is still facing real financial problems and none of the last few governments have seen farmers as anything other than land owning cash cows.
Agreed
Rice is now very much a staple food in the UK.
> And you can still have efficient food production in the UK, it's just that small artisanal "under 100 food-miles" farming is inefficient.
Economically inefficient, but diversity of local supply in a key factor in food security, and as a hopeless food insecure country, the UK should be diversifying as much as possible, especially to crops that will thrive in the coming climate.
I knew a Brit who described chicken tikka masala as the national dish of the UK.
30X30 aims to supply 30% of nutritional needs by 2030 using only 1% of the land precisely to make progress towards 100% calorie self-sufficiency.
This is like trying to claim bioethanol is somehow carbon negative.
It's broken from a farming standpoint (and we're a nation starting to face issues with production. Notice how I say starting not we're starving there's several world's of different yet)
It's broken from an economic standpoint because you're going to try and take on the whole of Asia who could crush you in a single shipment.
It's broken from a mindset perspective. British wine may be one that grabs interest over here like British vodka. But people will not pay 10x or more for British rice. It will be seen as a stupid concept or idea.
It's broken because again... Who in Britain is clamouring for more rice options? This is a product type which is already over saturated at the normal supermarket, let alone the choices when you're willing to shop online.
If there's no discouragement to projects like this idiots will run the land into ruin, lose a lot of money. Drive away needed capital from farms looking to turn around their fortunes and damage the sector.
I'm not saying British farms are about to collapse and we're all about to starve here, but the sector is struggling.
Unless and until it's the only carbohydrate source available due to some global war or disaster. All countries should be aiming for domestic food security and diversity.
The Defence Industrial Strategy does the same for essential manufacturing capabilities.
Raw material supply security is the purview of many government bodies, including MOD, BGS, and more.
> But at which point this becomes ridiculous?
Securing the food supply to your population, the absolute most basic of human needs along with the water and shelter, is the furthest thing from ridiculous.
> domestic food security and diversity.
Aside from switzerland who else is so well placed for this in geographical Europe?
ITS AN ISLAND
Most EU countries can feed feed themselves.
Please educate yourself because that statement is just factually incorrect. That's not a talking point, that's just wrong.
Great Britain, which excludes NI, has a roughly 60% calorie self-sufficiency ratio and quite literally cannot feed itself without imports.
Ireland and Northern Ireland can many times over, in principle even if spare parts and fuel were blockaded, although it would be an uninspiring diet.
I am certainly open to further education as this area interests me and my country is woefully unprepared for any interruption to global supply chains, especially in relation to fuel and medical supplies, so I continue to make policy submissions in this area.
That's comparing production means today with an inflated population due to uncontrolled migration. (Main confronting factor to pop growth in last few years so can't be avoided as topic).
Comparing blockade numbers to peace time production is a false equivalency.
Am I saying there won't be unrest no, but you just started a scenario by blockading Britain. If you think we don't produce enough food, it's about the only thing we actual do produce here other than empty city promises and patents. The country would eat itself before the means of food production hits the top 5 of our problems if honestly bet.
The country has capacity to engage in intensive farming of several means which we currently do not because of animal rights concerns, lack of manpower etc. In a blockade scenario animal rights go out the window to a starving populace. Food waste is addressed in several means and we start engaging in battery farming and crop yields yes move to calorific content vs serving the Ritz their flav d'jour.
And let's not pretend NI is included under any sensible scenario other than the British military blockading and subsuming control of RoI. There's no scenario where a blockade of Britain as an island would leave us "struggling to feed NI with RoI being supported by the European block" as another absolutist.
Not to be rude, but your Government, MOD, and think-tanks disagree with you. The latent capacity of UK agriculture is estimated to be able to feed approximately 80-90% of the population, which for context is similar to the amount of food available (including external aid) in South Sudan now.
> And let's not pretend NI is included under any sensible scenario other than the British military blockading and subsuming control of RoI. There's no scenario where a blockade of Britain as an island would leave us "struggling to feed NI with RoI being supported by the European block" as another absolutist.
The UK does not have the ability to militarily conquer Ireland, let alone survive the consequences, so this is, well, delusional.
I honestly do not think you are well informed enough to form a valid opinion on this topic, which explains your reactive and emotion-driven comments
Right next door, Ireland had a little problem with potatoes and a massive famine resulted from it. Had the island had a more diverse mix of crops, things probably would've been a little less severe.
There are currently pests and infections spreading around the world and destroying crops. Bananas are undergoing a repeat of their last global crop failure and isolated pockets of uninfected bananas are becoming more valuable. Natural rubber had a disease that wiped out most rubber trees. It's not impossible for wheat in Europe to be hit with a plague in the near future and absolutely wipe out crops and food sources for hundreds of millions. There's war in Eastern Europe that risks spreading, and if it does, embargoes are possible. Investing now in alternative local food sources is simply smart.
Profit now isn't everything. The problem that's gutting the west now is how countries shipped off every industry to other cheaper countries because it was "more profitable and nothing bad will happen." Now the youth are left with less than their parents had.
Plus the article addresses this being done as a climate change-proofing measure. With the UK getting hotter, rice grows better and better. Other crops may not.
Common misconception: Ireland actually had a little problem with the British. Even during the most intense parts of the famine Ireland was still exporting food. The British absentee landowners simply did not care that their peasants were starving. The ruling party wanted to let the "free market" solve it, with some politicians considering it "divine providence" or a "lack of moral character". This was made even worse by refusing aid to small landowners, which killed sustenance farming.
People often forget that it was a European famine, rather than an Irish one. The Irish potato yield was reduced by 30%, while the potato yield in Denmark was reduced by 50%, The Netherlands by 71%, and Belgium by 87%! Tens of thousands died in those countries, but it is only Ireland where the population was reduced from 8 million to 4 million.
Monoculture (as decided upon by the absentee British landlords) was indeed the direct cause, but it only got as bad as it did because the British elite chose to let them die. Had they imported alternative crops to feed their peasants, or even just stopped potato export, it would've been far less severe.
But had Ireland not had a monoculture that all rotted away, things would've been less severe. And what you've said only further proves the point I was making: you should grow other crops so that you're not dependent on imports. Britain wouldn't let the Irish import food. It's not impossible for a situation to arise where a country doesn't let Britain import food. Growing alternative grains is the British looking at their own brutal history and learning from it.
Ireland didn't have a monoculture. It exported other crops and meat throughout the famine and required calories never exceeded food production on the island.
The only monoculture was on tenant farmer's personal gardens, which were monocultures by necessity.
If your climate is suitable, you can have multiple rice crops per year on the same field. Eg 3 crops per year is common in Thailand.
It seems like smaller fully automated fields could also do?
> It seems like smaller fully automated fields could also do?
In principle, yes, but your machines will probably be idle much of the time, if there's not enough land to keep them busy. So it's not worth it, unless the machines get really cheap.
They can also in some cases raise fish in the same terrace, and herbs or other crops on the walls between them.
Farmers of Forty Centuries is an out of copyright book from ~1903 that details the findings of a research group from IIRC England who wanted to understand how the Chinese have been farming the same fields for four millennia without exhausting them. They were doing three crops a year back 120 years ago. A lot of it is down to accumulating silt over time by irrigating with silty water, and dredging the irrigation canals every so often to start new fields with the take.
Fish-rice farming is an excellent example of Harmony in design.
How does this square with conservation of matter?
[1] Which California Crop Yields the Most Calories?
https://agdatanews.substack.com/p/which-california-crop-yiel...
I’m sure there are some scenarios where rice fields could be added as additional depth to this buffer, via farm subsidies. It doesn’t matter if it’s profitable, if it’s nearly profitable and it reduces damage from ten, twenty, or even fifty year storms. You can divert money from remediation into prevention.
The USDA reworked their fallow fields program a couple decades ago to pay for fallow fields low in watersheds, to reduce erosion and eutrophication. My reasoning is that you could use rice paddies to similar effect. Because they serve as containment ponds.
So in this hypothetical you restore the coastline, then approach the farmers you didn’t displace about what to grow in their lowlands.
Yes _that_ is the product you choose to grow. Not idk products popular amongst British customers...
... Are you under the impression that rice isn't popular in the UK?
Besides I'm referring to the british who just use the white plastic as a side for kormas, vindaloo or a rice pudding.
Pretending this is economically viable is short sighted at extreme best.
If it can grow in Minnesota it sure as fuck can grow in the UK.
I wonder whether that might grow well in the UK.
50% more protein, but unfortunately still 0% vitamin A.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UklW0ELgaME
Also apparently in New York: https://cals.cornell.edu/news/2019/10/can-rice-be-grown-new-...
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