U.s. Hits New Low in World Happiness Report
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The US has dropped to a new low in the World Happiness Report, sparking discussion on the reasons behind this decline, including gun violence, economic concerns, and political polarization.
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And in the midst of that is down to one final bank which if it collapsed is worth something like 20x the gdp of the nation in holdings.
So maybe the Swiss are waking up to how much more delicate their situation may be.
I see World Happiness Report as primarily a measure of what's considered the most socially acceptable way to discuss happiness across cultures. In the USA, people often brag about how miserable they are, for example.
1,700 people out of ~50 million K-12 students in a 22 year period.
.003352% chance of injury or worse over 22 years. And now I realize the denominator should be bigger because it doesn't count faculty/staff or college students.
There's no reason to live in fear of school shootings. (But there should still be much greater gun control.)
From wikipedia it looks like there's 13,000 school districts in the US - so 1 in 10 (!!!!) has had a school shooting in the last 22 years. Am I doing this right?
It's affectional national politics.
But I agree with you that it affects the school and community deeply, even in surrounding communities. I live in Texas, and the whole state was deeply affected after Uvalde. A relative's school got evacuated a few weeks later out of what happened to be a false alarm, with the relative forced to exit the school hands above their head to show they didn't have a gun. They were on the complete other side of the state, probably like a 6 hour drive away.
I also think that it's fair to think about other examples of exposure to violence and not just the Parent's example of weekly school shootings. Speaking of gun violence, I'm not sure I know anyone personally in the USA who haven't been impacted by it, whether that's knowing someone who was hurt, having to lock down at work or home, having to drive a different route home because of an active shooting, or just hearing it and then hearing the sirens. Of course, these are not all equal, but it's interesting to think about.
Americas mistakes are not as unique to us as Europeans keep telling themselves.
Who is better off, the software engineer who lost her $250k job and had to settle for a new job that pays $150k, or the teacher who found a new job and got a raise from $50k to $70k? The software engineer might be better off while simultaneously less happy about their situation.
Oops.
This one I am not familiar with. What's the latest development here?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/16/brian-mast-m...
Many US states are larger than multiple EU countries combined.
Nordic countries are also not on the top of the list.
This is basically just a list of developed countries where people can afford luxury medication.
Here's a report of the countries with most antidepressant users in the world 2024 (https://ceoworld.biz/2024/05/12/revealed-countries-with-most...):
1. Iceland
2. Portugal
3. UK
4. Canada
5. Australia
6. Sweden
7. Spain
8. New Zealand
9. Chile
10. Belgium
This report lists OECD countries but excludes the US. If the US were included, the report suggests the US would be among the top (either highest or second-highest) in terms of DDD per 1,000 inhabitants.
"Nationally representative samples of respondents are asked to think of a ladder, with the best possible life for them being a 10, and the worst possible life being a 0. They are then asked to rate their own current lives on that 0 to 10 scale."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report
Or equally lack of envy or discontent.
Happiness can be studied in a lot of ways, and none of them is complete or accurate. Momentary happiness is possible in a miserable life and vice versa.
I suspect this survey does tell us something over time, if methodology is stable.
There is no objective measure where the median American is better off than the median European.
I’m saying this as a born and bread American citizen who is fortunate enough to be on the better side of the economic divide.
Dory, obviously.
Suicide rates aren't everything, but they are certainly telling a very different story. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_r...
Coincidence? I think not.
Anecdotally, the most depressed times in my life were when circumstances were objectively fine and I still couldn't manage to feel any less than terrible. Like, "This is as good as it's ever going to get???" Ironically having actual problems gave me both something to attribute the bad feelings to, and hope that I would feel better once I resolved the problems.
Of course not. Easier to be snarkier than to research and understand.
For the record: The World Happiness Report is published by the Wellbeing Research Centre at the University of Oxford, in partnership with Gallup, the UN Sustainable Development Solutions Network and an independent editorial board.
https://www.worldhappiness.report/
I might report higher happiness right after lunch than right before lunch. I might be happier right after getting a kind text from a friend than before. Or after having sex. Or after watching a funny video. Or after petting my cat. Need I go on?
Any one of those and more could be the singular reason for a 7 instead of a 3 in a given report. There are too many confounding factors to draw any meaningful conclusions from the reports.
My problem is with drive-by snarkiness and cynicism comments. If OP had a problem with the study methodology and results, they should've said that.
You yourself are not criticizing the study. You are positing a issue with the data, without checking first if the study addresses the issue at all, and then writing off the whole thing without doing your research first.
And, finally, are you saying oxford professors and, can't overstate this enough, Gallup researchers (Gallup!) are not aware of the problems of self-reported data?!
Yes, it kind of is an argument from authority to simply "trust" them. You chastised someone on not checking "what the methodology used was," then cited only the names of the groups who carried it out and said nothing about the methodology.
I trust my doctor.
You do too.
Of course, I was criticising the way they argue, a meta-argument, not the argument itself. I have no interest in discussing the methodology or result of this study.
Gotcha, so you're defending the people who made the study, but not the study itself, i.e. appealing to authority.
> I was criticising the way they argue,
As I am to you.
Ask and trust Einstein on general relativity --> no appeal to authority
Ask and trust Einstein on why drugs are bad just because he, Einstein the physics genius, says so --> appeal to authority
I did, in fact. Did you?
Like I mentioned in another comment, I was not interested in the actual study, but in your approach to arguing and criticizing the study (i.e. cavalier drive-by snark and cynicism).
Gun violence regardless of position is still always in the news, and the party in power has no intention of doing anything about it.
The political elite actively shun science.
Tech billionaires are all licking the boot - so the hopes some had that those with money and large corporate entities would keep the government in check are long gone.
Politicians actively endanger our international relationships with the entire world. Everybody in the world looks at us like a laughing stock.
The elite actively welcome and cheer for AI taking peoples jobs.
The economy is shit meanwhile our leaders lie to our faces about how tariffs and their own economic policies work and pointing at wall street gains meanwhile the majority of Americans don't invest in the first place.
Our rights are being stripped. Military/National Guard is actively deployed in the streets in places, and there is threat of deployment in other places (hint left leaning places). Any speech not aligned with the presidents values is criticized and threatened at a national scale.
Politics is just a reality TV show made for clicks and our current leaders are basically the equivalent if children bickering. "Transparency" is completely gone - they ran on transparency and then immediately flipped, who coulda seen that coming.
There is literally nothing to be happy about here unless you're already rich.
I never understood that. What is the point of amassing all that money and power if you have to grovel to terrible people?
Two close friends grow up and part ways. One becomes a monk, the other one becomes a minister to the king.
Many years later they meet again.
As they catch up, the minister, wearing fancy clothes, pities on the homely monk. Trying to help, he says: "You know, if you could learn to cater to the king you wouldn't have to live on rice and beans."
To which the monk replies: "If you could learn to live on rice and beans you wouldn't have to cater to the king!"
I woke up today and the sun shining and birds chirping. I made myself and my partner breakfast, greeted people on my way to work. I got a good amount of work done, then had a nice lunch and now I'm taking a little break.
My life is better than it was growing up and substantially better than how bad it was for my ancestors.
Perhaps my expectations are lower than yours or perhaps I'm more focused on the present and my actual experiences rather than ruminating on whatever sensationalistic news story of the day is or what could happen, but while I can't say I'm happy about most of what you describe, they don't affect my day-to-day happiness. I'm not going to worry about things I can't change that may or may not affect me.
That's not to say it's not a good feeling when someone finds utility in something I've done, but a nice walk also gives me the same good feeling.
While the quality of life really is objectively better with children, the secret to these rankings is probably the calibration inherent in the question. Finnish people just don’t have high expectations. Every positive development is a welcome surprise.
Americans are primed to want it all and seem to constantly compare themselves against unachievable standards on social media. “The American Dream” is more illusionary than ever. Everybody is a temporarily inconvenienced billionaire. This can be positive when it produces a drive that builds things, but it seems to mostly produce unhappiness right now because it’s so out of balance.
I have lived in Thailand for the last ~8yrs. It's unfortunate not to see it on the list as I think generally speaking Thais are much happier than either US (where I travel a lot for work) or Australians (my home country).
A big chunk of that is the expectations, they don't need many material things to enjoy life and place a much higher emphasis on community and social standing (which isn't primarily derived from material wealth). Your occupation in Thailand has a very large impact on your social standing - more than the income you derive from it. i.e doctors are extremely well respected, however public doctors more so than private ones despite the latter being more wealthy.
Sense of community is something that builds you up rather than the Western trope of comparing yourself to your neighbour that breaks you down.
That very simple difference seems to have an outsized impact on how happy folk are here.
There are exceptions and Bangkok is much more Western but if you live out in the country like me then Thailand is a very happy place.
If anything I feel the people are happier here than in Bangkok which was by far wealthier and full of (traditional) economic opportunity. Here it's a combination of tourism in the nearby beach areas and lots of agricultural business (rubber, pineapples, etc).
As long as money isn't a problem it's not something making you unhappy. Having more than you need isn't going to directly make you happy, it can certainly help indirectly though.
Instead the things that make people happy are mostly family and community in my experience.
With that in mind there is a lot of reasons for people to be happy here - beautiful scenery, clean air, close community (I know pretty much everyone in my neighbourhood) and very active Chinese shines, Muslim mosques and Thai buddhist temples. Family life here is good, it's safe, there are good schools etc.
I used to think other things were more important but since moving here I have come to appreciate that these things are what matter and why people stay.
Yes but that calibration is also the secret to happiness.
You’re just covering up the real truth: Finnish happiness is a result of everyone having access to a sauna :)
Mina rakastan löyly, haluan saunassa nyt!
(What I hope I said: ‘I love throwing water on the sauna rocks and the experience of the resulting steam, I want to go into a sauna now’)
———————
On a more serious note, do you think the ever present threat of Russia and obligatory military service affects the expectations of Finnish people? Meaning, there is an actual tangible threat bordering Finland, which last invaded just 86 years ago (and forced Finland to ally with a country we won’t name so they would emerge from WWII independent, only Norway and Finland managed to achieve that, every other European country bordering the USSR was behind the iron curtain)
Do you think that keeps Finnish people’s expectations more grounded? Or is it something else entirely?
that's not really a secret or calibration issue though, that gets to the core of what happiness is, a relational property between expectation and reality. It's not an objective measure like income or height.
I don't think the notion of an 'objective' quality of life even makes a lot of sense. Quality of life is always measured against some concrete alternative, not against some abstract scale or points based system. Two people are going to have very different attitudes towards some way of life purely depending on what direction they come from.
Unfortunately building and fixing things (or just keeping things working, negotiating compromises, and so on) takes a lot of time and effort, and doesn't make for great pithy slogans or rile people up.
Biden in fact was the worse Democratic President for not stepping aside early enough and letting the DNC have a real primary. It was sheer selfishness and ego.
Results count - not excuses.
If you want to see sweeping legislation, you have to elect a Congress that with enough votes to pass it. Blaming Biden for not having the votes is an expression of political cluelessness.
You really think people were excited about Biden like Obama or Clinton?
Inflation Reduction Act [0][1]
Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act [2][3]
CHIPS and Science Act [4]
He worked to use our tax dollars to spur re-investment in America. From factory construction and utility jobs to grid resilience and innovation. Not to mention that zero to few Republicans voted for these, yet they are the largest benefactors. Texas massive growth spurt in Green energy can thank Biden, but they won't even though they are happy to take the infrastructure investments and enjoy the cheaper energy and jobs. I'll just be happy if I dont have to deal with another Great Texas Freeze.
Also, and even though, the coal mining communities didn't vote for him he made sure to single out investment specifically to coal communities "it announced $428 million in grants for 14 projects in coal communities, creating 1,900 jobs and leveraging $500 million in private investments."
Those also include tax reform (to collect from super-rich tax evaders, expire the deep corporate tax cuts etc) and prescription drug reform to lower prices among other things like investing in green energy projects for low income communities. He brought investment back into this country without sucker punching our allies.
Imo, that's what my tax dollars are for, for reinvestment back into building this country -- not to give rich business friends that donate meme coins to a family account extra large tax cuts or giving bonuses for rounding up brown people (including US citizens - google if you want links) and empower a federal immigration force to throw out any integrity and character they had before being told to make a spectacle.
Anyway there is a lot in there is you care to read up on it.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_Reduction_Act
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_Reduction_Act#Projec...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Investment_and_...
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Investment_and_...
[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHIPS_and_Science_Act
How much do you want to bet that in four years nothing he did will have made a difference and Trump is going to undo it? That wouldn’t have been an issue if Biden had stepped aside and announced he wasn’t going to run for reelection earlier. Again results count. The few things he “accomplished” are going to be undone because he didnt step aside.
And all of his “prescription reforms” weren’t put into law and were easy to undo by the next administration.
The Republicans no matter how hard they try can’t kill the ACA and are probably going to vote to increase funding. The ACA would have been a lot easier to kill if Obama hadn’t won reelection. Biden should have known he couldn’t win.
Look up the Senate Parliamentarian and how the Democrats used them as an excuse to not get anything done.
They could have played hardball with their rogue Senators but they didn't.
They were lying through their teeth. Biden had already fixed the crisis. Trump's undone that work, and is now going around claiming to have fixed stuff.
One example is how Trump is going to get a bunch of people to build factories in the US:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/C307RC1Q027SBEA
Biden also got the inflation caused by Trump's ZIRP + deficit spending under control, despite digging us out of COVID. (The inflation surge during Biden's term had already been predicted by most economists by the middle of Trump's first term. NPR even ran a series about "printing unlimited money bad" in 2018 or 2019.)
Also, Trump inherited the lowest crime rates in living memory, and then declared a national emergency about surging crime.
What they are doing now is hiring out all of the people they want from startups and leaving the undesirables in a lurch and decimating VCs investments - Google, Microsoft and Amazon have all used this playbook.
The problem with “administrative changes” is that they can easily be undone.
And he didn’t “protect women’s healthcare” at all. The red states are still seeing women die because doctors are afraid to perform abortions when the life of the mother is in danger and blue states aren’t - the status quo.
The very reason that Biden is an inconsequential President was because everything he did was easily undone between his lack of willingness to step aside even though he and everyone else knew he should and trying to do things through executive orders.
The Supreme Court is another symptom of old people not retiring when they should, dying on the bench allowing a Republican President to nominate replacements.
By a wide range of economic metrics, the US economy during the Biden administration was incredibly successful. We somehow managed to reign in inflation caused by the follow-on disruptions coming from Covid pandemic and the Russia–Ukraine war, while maintaining full employment and avoiding negative economic effects expected by most economists. Real wages went up. Federal investments set up long-term gains for US manufacturing. The US economy did better than just about every other industrialized economy in the world during the same time period.
Blaming Biden for the following administration doing everything it can to trash the economy and reverse every bit of progress he made is ridiculous. It's like blaming the fire department for the actions of an arsonist. Again, if you want sweeping legislation and long-term commitment to policy changes, you need to elect (and keep electing) enough votes in Congress.
- Trans people being an issue.
- Gun problems being an issue of the person holding the gun or gun related deaths being a necessary evil - evidence from practically every country on earth with strict gun rules shows otherwise. Less guns = less gun deaths full stop.
- Climate change being fake, chemtrails, Geoengineering, weather manipulation.
- Science, particularly medical research being fake. Covid vaccines being harmful, etc.
- "The great replacement theory"
- White genocide in countries around the world
- Jan 6th not being an atrocity.
- Ending non-existent wars.
Among many others.
The transcript of Charlie Kirk's last words are particularly telling on this point. He was pushing the idea that trans people are to blame for mass shootings when they were < 1% of total mass shooters over the last ten years.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/fact-check-yes-charlie-k...
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IecBIvnsudY
- Gun problems being an issue of the person holding the gun or gun related deaths being a necessary evil - evidence from practically every country on earth with strict gun rules shows otherwise. Less guns = less gun deaths full stop.
You want just the government to have the guns? You must be 3 years old. Also I don't mind having less guns - just tie it to your political affiliation - left leaning? No Guns.
- Climate change being fake, chemtrails, Geoengineering, weather manipulation.
Climate change was fake, it was 100% abandoned when Leftists started burning Teslas- the number one EV in America. Sounds like it was fake the entire time. Chemtrails are real, they are actually seeding clouds in an experiment that's not fully tested.
- Science, particularly medical research being fake. Covid vaccines being harmful, etc.
Lookup vaccine injury - it's a huge mess.
- "The great replacement theory"
Yeah, importing lots of people causing the housing prices to go up, also the non-stop pushing of agendas that reduce western women from wanting to have babies. A lot of that is paid for.
- White genocide in countries around the world
It's pretty much one country - south africa, but you know that.
- Jan 6th not being an atrocity.
J6 was an atrocity, it was mostly orchestrated by 300 FBI agents that worked for the leftist side of the deep state.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6WNNrS1hR8
- Ending non-existent wars.
I don't know what you mean by this one, ending wars isn't good in your opinion I guess.
I don't really care if you think none of this is real - just about every 5 minutes in the last 4 years under Biden we found out something was 100% fake and was motivated by pure malice against conservatives. Besides - we're winning. #walk-away
The new non-existent link between Tylenol during pregnancy / childhood and autism.
The 10ml of liquid in vaccines is too much liquid. This supposedly causes babies to swell up like a balloon and get autism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories_pr...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBTQ_grooming_conspiracy_theo...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement_conspiracy_t...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_th...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italygate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_misinformation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biden%E2%80%93Ukraine_conspira...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation_about_the_2024_...
But tribal loyalty is a powerful force, so as soon as the questions or questioner appears partisan in any way, people form ranks for “their side” and you’d be hard pressed to get an honest response, least of all one that reflects badly on their team at the helm.
No? The true hallmarks of totalitarianism are a lack of political competition (usually due to repression) and the state controlling “all aspects of society, including the family, religion, education, business, private property, and social relationships” [1].
Ancient Athens was a famously political society. It was not totalitarian.
[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarianism
All of the ones you'd see most commonly: age, sex, race, religion, level of education, marital status, etc.
> control
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlling_for_a_variable
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