Umberto Eco: Ur-Fascism
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The Hacker News community discusses Umberto Eco's essay on 'Ur-Fascism', exploring its relevance to contemporary society and debating the characteristics of fascist ideologies. The conversation touches on the manifestation of fascist traits in modern contexts, such as online outrage and social hierarchies.
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Back when Pepsi refreshed their logo, the reaction was mostly just people making fun of it. If they did the same now it seems like there would be anger.
I sincerely doubt Steak 'n Shake tweeting "fire the CEO" was a serious call to action so much as it was jumping on the hate train for fun.
The framing isn't just that it is "woke", but, more to the essay, that they're destroying a classic American aesthetic.
They're very much making this out to be: it's us vs them, and mythologizing tradition. Equating corporate identity as American history does well to push corporate capitalism, but funnily enough, the logo only goes back to 1977. It's only as old as Don Jr!
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" Since the group is hierarchically organized (according to a military model), every subordinate leader despises his own underlings, and each of them despises his inferiors."
What's unique about fascist ideologies compared to many other forms of authoritarianism is its petty sadism, where people will accept getting kicked as long as they can kick down themselves, akin to a school yard bully or prison system. Rather than exercise solidarity with people even worse off, it's a kind of of mutual abuse. Elitism with an inferiority complex. Which is I think what makes it so attractive on the internet.
full text: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/umberto-eco-ur-fasci...
Essentially in broad strokes (at the risk of caricature), you have one group that is cursed by trying to always build consensus: no one can be left behind/marginalized. Hence little gets done because heaven forbid someone's feelings get hurt or gets left a bit behind. It's also easier to subvert because it tends to be a more open tribe.
On the other side you have the hierarchy. Fall in line, know your place. It's effective at getting things done but steamrolls those at the bottom of the totem pole. Outsiders are not even on the totem pole.
Both of these, you could say, are attempts to cope with the slings and arrows of life: the consensus version attempting to minimize the harm to an equal minimum for everyone. The hierarchy version shunts the harm down to each lower level in the hierarchy (sucks to be at the bottom).
Perhaps two opposite points on a spectrum of organizing parts into a whole in general, and if you look you should see things move between the two everywhere. From personal relationships to code organization.
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