Invasive Israeli-Founded Bloatware Is Harvesting Data From Samsung Users in Wana
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The article discusses how Samsung phones in the WANA region have invasive Israeli-founded bloatware harvesting user data, sparking concerns about privacy and data security, with commenters debating the significance of the software's Israeli origins and the broader implications of mobile spyware.
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Israel has mandatory military service. They grab the most promising teenagers and give them insanely good cybersecurity training on the government's dime. They do their mandatory service, maybe spend a few more years in the unit, then move on to the private sector. Most, if not all, of Israel's tech companies in the cybersecurity/surveillance sector are related to Unit 8200 for this reason.
But also: I think it's fair to say that Israeli spyware gets more media attention party because of geopolitical factors. Similar to Russian or Chinese spyware. I doubt the same headline would catch as much attention if you swapped Israeli-founded with Spanish-founded.
Smartphones are juicy targets. Most people have one, originally by choice and now by social mandate. And people have a habit of loading lots of personal data on them - at a minimum, just by using the location features on the device, which produces a near-perfect location tracking log. Lots of governments would love nothing more than to have access to telepathy - i.e. actual mind reading - to figure out which citizens were loyal, disloyal, engaged in criminal behavior, etc. And having a full unencrypted phone backup is basically a mind rip.
The only countries that aren't interested in mobile spyware are countries not big enough to afford a spyware engineering org.
And the "Israeli founded" serves what purpose?
Stir up hate. Feed into conspiracy theories. Click bait. Etc...
[1] Iranian state media warns Israel using cell phone tracking to assassinate leaders in Iran - report - https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-85806...
In the Islamic world, governments privately have relations with Israel and publicly condemn them to keep the populace distracted.
Apart from Iran, who of course are straight up hostile to most everyone except Russia.
I couldn't find any source on who paid Samsung to preinstall this software - Samsung is very tight-lipped about it. I'd be very interested if you have one.
I don't understand the implication here, but yes?
Broader point, nationalistic click/flamebait shouldn't be on HN.
Let's also not forget that that country's paid spokesmen (both Israeli and American) were joking for months about those explosions, even lobbing it as a threat to their perceived enemies -- on live TV no less!
They operate in a closed space called mobile attribution of which only a few companies are competitors. Appsflyer is by far the largest. https://appgoblin.info/companies/types/ad-attribution
They are probably in 20 or more apps on your phone. https://appgoblin.com/companies/appsflyer.com
Better drop back to a dumb phone TBH.
The problem I have is that the 3G networks are all gone and the very few remaining 2G networks that are kept alive for GSM trackers won't provide internet access (at least, no more than a couple of KB per connection, as that's the most GSM trackers use). Not that I need internet much on the phone... but sometimes I need email (ProfiMail) and weather (ForecaWeather - yes, the servers are still alive today!).
When the last 2G network goes out I'll be forced to change it and I have no alternatives.
There are SIM size adapters.
Samsung embeds IronSource spyware app on phones across WANA - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44334167 - June 2025 (480 comments)
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