A Ritzy L.a. Enclave Learned a Bitter Lesson About the Limits of Its Wealth
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A wealthy Los Angeles enclave, Calabasas, faces the consequences of having a landfill nearby that is being used to dump toxic wildfire ash, highlighting issues of environmental justice and regulatory failures.
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Now that newspapers are online, somehow it's ritzy to be able to read and the fact that people have jobs which involve creating newspaper content is a bitter lesson.
Articles like this might get me with a headline but once I hit a paywall I realize very quickly how little I care.
Which leaves trying to skirt the paywall. If it works I don’t need to pay, if it doesn’t that’s more confirmation it’s not worth it for me.
Lose/lose for them.
1. I could read a newspaper without a subscription. I could buy just one issue. NYT does that that online
2. A newspaper in a vending machine showed you more than just the headline. Like the subhead, for example. I can’t even see that. The default NYT experience without a subscription gives you only the title. And I have to agree to $25/month to get anything else assuming I’m not using a paywall bypass
“We have stuff, we say you’ll like it, cough up a bunch of money to find out what” is a tough sell for me.
Paywalls that give you at least the first few sentences make far more sense to me.
So I guess I could go find the story on their homepage and see it there. That’s a rather odd workflow.
Now that newspapers are online, an end user may be presented with hundreds or thousands of them, asking for a subscription.
The cost of the above is orders of magnitude greater than some loose change adjusted for inflation.
Heck, now we have multi-billion dollar companies selling us ads (Google, Meta) but no one wants to pay the people whose jobs include investigating government corruption (as well as reporting on Taylor Swift getting a ring...). Somewhat understandably, since ads on the Internet are much more obnoxious than ads on newspaper/magazines.
Not X dollars per month with a yearly commitment that auto renews and for which you need to stay on hold for 6-12 hours to cancel...
Cry me a river.
If "newspapers" really wanted my money they'd band up and set up a micropayments agency so I could pay them for the issue i'm interested in again.
But they're only chasing whales instead so I have zero compassion.
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What a crazy tactic to switch blame from the City of LA's total failure, to prevent and stop the fire, to the environment.
Everyone knows that California is dry. Everyone knows that everything West of the Mississippi is dry. For how long? Much longer than industry has existed.
I'd consider it to be a failure of environmental advocacy to be so ham-fisted so as to drive people away from policy support because you can't fight the impulse to abuse the issue to absolve the guilty.
Using guidelines from the National Fire Academy to suppress housefires, they would've needed to simultaneously deploy 10 or 12 thousand industrial-zone (not residential-zone) fire hydrants. Not only do those not exist, but there would've been no way to pressurize them simultaneously.
At only hour 4 of the fire (1200 acres, assume 5% are structures), they already would've had to deploy 1800 industrial-zone fire hydrants to suppress it. Again using NFA's flow rate guidelines. The Santa Ynez Reservoir, had it been full, would've been emptied in about an hour assuming it could maintain pressure (which it couldn't).
Wildfires are fundamentally fought with firebreaks and aircraft, both of which are extremely challenging in high-wind urban environments. They are contained until they burn out their fuel. They are not ever combatted with municipal water supplies.
Can you state specifically what were obviously avoidable failures?
Strategically removing/reducing fire-prone vegetation in the hills surrounding LA?
Do the areas that are reachable. After all, somehow roads manage to get constructed.
> or the budget
Well, the budget for the devastation from the fires will be orders of magnitude more.
Fences can also be constructed that will stop flaming debris from being pushed across the ground.
As for fences, what a stupid and pointless idea. The wildfires spread largely by embers blown up in the air, not by flaming debris being pushed across the ground. And what exactly are you going to build the fences out of?
Fires aren't always accompanied by high velocity winds. Lower velocity winds will pile up the embers behind various obstacles, like a low wall.
Masonry walls also are an obstacle for the wind, which will slow down near the ground, and behind the wall it will be still, which will result in debris falling to the ground.
The wall can also be made of chicken wire. It would be appropriate to experiment with various forms of inexpensive fencing like chicken wire.
As for hills, it isn't necessary to denude them completely of vegetation. Just the parts that are easily accessed, and alongside the roads.
I seriously doubt experienced wildfire firefighters would agree with your assessment that it's completely hopeless.
If you take away the wind, we wouldn't even be talking about this problem.
What changed? Automobiles, reinforced concrete, retention walls, lift pumps, subsidized road construction.. People in LA with money now want their homes perched up a hill with inaccessible terrain covered in brush below it (that ensures nobody will build on their view!).
Same with oceanside land by the way. If you go to the shore of the bay of Biscay in France, for instance, the "seaside" villages are built not on the beach, but a few hundred yards inland. Building right on a sandy storm-swept shoreline would have seemed ludicrous when those towns were being constructed.
Should they do more? Of course. With what resources?
I recently learned 82% of California fire fighters are unpaid volunteers. That doesn’t include the prison labor.
The entire government has its priorities completely wrong, especially at the federal level. Blaming the city of LA makes very little sense.
Blaming environmentalists for consistently sounding the alarm over this stuff for 50+ years and then being ignored also doesn’t make sense.
One thing that does make sense: Look at the writings of the people that blocked wind and nuclear power in the 1980’s, and solar / batteries in the 1990s.
They explicitly said they knew their actions would burn the planet down, and it didn’t matter to them. Now they’ve dismantling our democracy, eliminating emergency response groups like FEMA, and retasking the national guard (California’s last line of fire defense) as an illegal police force.
Most volunteer fire fighters act as reserves in more rural areas and are only called up for major incidents. The city of LA and surrounding cities like Calabasas don't rely heavily on volunteers.
Climate change might be a minor factor in the intensity of the 2025 Southern California wildfires but those have been happening periodically for millennia. The El Niño-Southern Oscillation (ENSO) will sometimes dump a lot of rain on Southern California for several years at a stretch causing extensive brush growth, then shift north for several years allowing everything to dry out. At that point any little spark will ignite a raging wildfire, especially when the Santa Ana winds are blowing. This is not "forest" that can be actively managed, it's chaparral in rough hilly terrain. It's simply impossible to clear much of the brush or conduct controlled burns. The only effective measures are building fire-resistant structures with defensible space around them — or simply not building in those areas at all.
Including building in the chaparral hills in the first place. Sane policy would be to forbid new construction where fires have ravaged in the past or at least deny insurance, because it's like building in a floodplain. The problem is that the same area is suffering from systemic under-construction of housing.
1. Somehow people moving into houses that went for $4 to $25 million didn't notice or bother to check that there's a landfill a mile from their houses.
2. Ash waste from last year's huge wildfires needs a place to go, but it's de facto toxic.
3. A waiver granted to allow the toxic waste to be dumped into landfills not rated for handling it.
4. Rich people find they have no more power than residents of Flint, MI
Addendum: at least the cops are deferential to the crowd of protestors that include rich white moms with a babies. They didn't declare a "riot" and didn't fire teargas or rubber bullets at anyone.
Moving on.
Perhaps they didn't riot.
Whereas we know that a lot of actual riots in the past six years weren't treated enough as such. Allowing the populations that they affected to be terrorized, sometimes over an extended period of time.
Rioting is not needed for police to abuse their authority.
The neat thing is all 3 of those can be true at the same time.
Gaslighter
>Sometimes the riot happens because people whose humanity isn't being respected choose not to respect your property.
A psychopath's excuse to harm innocent people.
People who want to destroy property will always claim that their "humanity isn't being respected". Psychopaths commonly play the victim to justify harming people who have nothing to do with them.
>The neat thing is all 3 of those can be true at the same time.
Pseudo-intellectualism.
Look at the facts. The article throws out a bunch of famous names, and shows the Kardashians protesting. And yet the protest seemed to last only a few days before one person was arrested and the rest lost interest. A city of millionaires only raised $76k in a GoFundMe.
This doesn't paint a picture of powerful people being thwarted. It's a bunch of unserious people writing letters for a few weeks and then losing interest when things don't immediately go their way.
They are powerful, but they probably don't have the incentives, especially when you consider that people who have that kind of wealth typically have many homes. That's quite a set of incentives than someone protecting the only home they have.
Presumably, it's not a landfill that you can smell or see readily, otherwise a wealthy enclave wouldn't have developed there.
> 4. Rich people find they have no more power than residents of Flint, MI
I think this is a rare exception, and not representative of normalcy. Nuch of the toxic waste is itself from a well-off area (the Palisades), and the state government wouldn't want to be seen as giving special treatment to wealthy celebrities.
The process removes the top 12" and replaces with with clean fill. The governor granted an exemption from California Environment Quality Act (CEQA), and recent legislation passed will streamline or waive the process for all future development. The material will go somewhere, the question is which NIMBY is the recipient.
Probably worth noting that before the CEQA revamp legislation this year, 50% of all California construction development was challenged/thwarted with lawsuits by the same people for multiple or no reasons. That usually resulted in one or two years of delays, with the cost added to the construction. The price to build "affordable" housing in California is $700,000 to $1,000,000.
https://www.pacificresearch.org/newsom-right-to-waive-ceqa-f...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Research_Institute
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